I agree with Laurie, especially about the puppies. I have some 5 1/2 month old puppies that have hardly seen a leash and the only thing remotely resembling a judge that they have seen all winter is a snowman. They are very happy and outgoing, but one temperment test done wrong can ruin that . Their first class will be in a show. Maybe the board should reconsider changing this for puppies. Ann www.geocities.com/edangsd pruett@xxxxxxxxx wrote:The following is what I sent to Lew Bunch when he asked for input to take to the GSDCA Board of Directors regarding the temperament test: I have strong feelings about the loose lead temperament evaluation. I don't think that a breeder judge needs to do this test in order to determine temperament. The non-breeder judge often does not understand the test and does not perform it correctly. Some breeder judges go too far with the test in order to show the world that they are doing it or that the dog has a problem. I've seen dogs stared at, dogs stalked, dogs hugged, dogs slapped on their sides, dogs chased 3 times around the handler - none of which is part of the evaluation. I HATE this test for puppies. There are so few matches now which means that many puppies are ring trained in a real dog show ring rather than at a fun match. An uncertain puppy (read green, inexperienced) can be damaged by a judge who forces them to do a loose lead temperament test. An otherwise sound puppy can all of a sudden enter a developmental fear period and you can play hell trying to de-program them after a bad ring experience with the loose lead evaluation. I like Gloria Birch's approach with puppies. She introduces herself to each puppy by going down the line, talking to and patting each puppy on the head. This approach is much kinder to the babies than is the current test which requires them to stand their ground in the center of the ring, by themselves, while a stranger approaches them. This is difficult for the babies when the evaluation is done right and can be devastating when it is done in some of the oh so creative ways I have seen it done. I also think that it is wrong to ask all-breed judges to single out the German Shepherd at the group and BIS level by requiring that they do the loose leash temperament evaluation on our breed and our breed only. It sends the wrong message to the public in this day and age of increasing difficulty with obtaining homeowners insurance when you own a "dangerous" german shepherd. I do think that temperament is important - but honestly don't think that this evaluation assists any knowledgeable breeder judge with the evaluation. That said, I have no problem with requiring it for the adult classes, but really don't think it should be required for puppies through the 12-18 month class. Laurie Pruett ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================