[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: temperament
- From: "frank fasano" <f.fasano@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <fairway97045@xxxxxxxxx>, <edangsd@xxxxxxxxxxx>, <pruett@xxxxxxxxx>, <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 21:50:18 -0600
For some of us there are no clubs locally to train-we belong to Kansas
City( three hours) and we are joining Minneapolis( four hours) but they are
both a tad far for training-the closest all breed trainng has a pretend
judge that is afraid of the German Shepherds-Kris
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From: "Terry Cochran" <fairway97045@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <edangsd@xxxxxxxxxxx>; <pruett@xxxxxxxxx>; <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 9:45 PM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: temperament
> You got to be kidding you use a public show to train a puppy??? Isn't
there training classes in your area. How about your local dog club?? Don't
they do training classes?
> Terry
> ANN SCHULTZ <edangsd@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I agree with Laurie, especially about the puppies. I have some 5 1/2 month
old puppies that have hardly seen a leash and the only thing remotely
resembling a judge that they have seen all winter is a snowman. They are
very happy and outgoing, but one temperment test done wrong can ruin that .
Their first class will be in a show. Maybe the board should reconsider
changing this for puppies. Ann www.geocities.com/edangsd
> pruett@xxxxxxxxx wrote:The following is what I sent to Lew Bunch when he
asked for input to take to the
> GSDCA Board of Directors regarding the temperament test:
>
> I have strong feelings about the loose lead temperament evaluation. I
don't
> think that a breeder judge needs to do this test in order to determine
> temperament. The non-breeder judge often does not understand the test and
does
> not perform it correctly. Some breeder judges go too far with the test in
> order to show the world that they are doing it or that the dog has a
problem.
> I've seen dogs stared at, dogs stalked, dogs hugged, dogs slapped on their
> sides, dogs chased 3 times around the handler - none of which is part of
the
> evaluation.
>
> I HATE this test for puppies. There are so few matches now which means
that
> many puppies are ring trained in a real dog show ring rather than at a fun
> match. An uncertain puppy (read green, inexperienced) can be damaged by a
> judge who forces them to do a loose lead temperament test. An otherwise
sound
> puppy can all of a sudden enter a developmental fear period and you can
play
> hell trying to de-program them after a bad ring experience with the loose
lead
> evaluation. I like Gloria Birch's approach with puppies. She introduces
> herself to each puppy by going down the line, talking to and patting each
puppy
> on the head. This approach is much kinder to the babies than is the
current
> test which requires them to stand their ground in the center of the ring,
by
> themselves, while a stranger approaches them. This is difficult for the
babies
> when the evaluation is done right and can be devastating when it is done
in
> some of the oh so creative ways I have seen it done.
>
> I also think that it is wrong to ask all-breed judges to single out the
German
> Shepherd at the group and BIS level by requiring that they do the loose
leash
> temperament evaluation on our breed and our breed only. It sends the wrong
> message to the public in this day and age of increasing difficulty with
> obtaining homeowners insurance when you own a "dangerous" german shepherd.
>
> I do think that temperament is important - but honestly don't think that
this
> evaluation assists any knowledgeable breeder judge with the evaluation.
That
> said, I have no problem with requiring it for the adult classes, but
really
> don't think it should be required for puppies through the 12-18 month
class.
>
> Laurie Pruett
>
>
>
>
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