I really think this should be left up to the judge. Some judges will forgive more on an inexperienced puppy. Some judges corrently assess that the dog does not have a temperament problem, but instead doesn't want its teeth examined. I'm willing to leave that determination to the judge who is in the ring with the dog. IMO, Rita Sandell does the temperament test flawlessly and has the good sense as a breeder to tell the difference between an animal that has a temperament problem and an animal that doesn't, for example, want to show teeth. If all judges conducted the test like she does, we wouldn't need this discussion. One of my pet peeves on this temperament test is the judges who combine the test with checking teeth. We have smart dogs that quickly learn the association and sometimes a "duck" to avoid having a mouth examined looks like poor temperament. Our young puppies often have mouths that are still sore from teething so they will try to avoid having their bite examined. It only takes a time or two for our very smart breed to develop an association between someone reaching for their head and having their mouths cranked open. Just another reason not to conduct this test on puppies... Laurie Quoting frank fasano <f.fasano@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>: >> > 3. A few judges don't fault the dogs when they shy. > > > > ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================