hrmmmmmmmmm .......... reading this message, I just have to respond. The 10yr old bitch (Zoe) I was referring to in my earlier post is definitely 'not' the boss of me or my kids. An alpha bitch?? Sure. But alpha bitch to my other dogs, not to me. Zoe was from my 1st breeding, and has lived with me all her life. Her mother was rescued from a home where her basic needs were attended to, but that was all. Both these bitches have spent time away from me at various times in their lives - sometimes just a few days, sometimes 2 or 3 weeks. And sometimes they have stayed home while I went away. In all cases, they were looked after people they knew and adored. And in ALL cases, they fretted and pined and would not eat or drink. The longest period Zoe ever stayed away from me was 7 weeks - and she stayed with my mother, who she absolutely adored. In EVERY case, Zoe came back skin and bones and very depressed (until she saw me). I travel interstate 2 or 3 times a year and will be away from home for 3 days. I have a housemate who Zoe adores, and who often helps with feeding and walking the dogs. When I go away for more than 2 days though, Zoe will fret and lose considerable weight while I'm away - even for such a short time and her being in her own home with her pack mates. I'm sorry, but I would never again 'willingly' subject her to that trauma. I have 11 german shepherds at the moment. Each and every one of them will adjust if/when re-homed. But without doubt, Zoe would not. I really believe that each one of us knows our dogs, and that this subject is an individual, case by case, decision. Anita & the Furkids Tarsha - at the Rainbow Bridge - gone but never forgotten ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sheila Lieberman" <sheilaofmiami@xxxxxxxxx> To: "thelist" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 12:57 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] temperament > When any dog of any breed or breeds is clingy or cannot 'live' without that one special person, it is not that the person is really so special, it is most likely that the dog is convienced by the person's behavior that the dog is in charge. Being in charge of humans is a very big task for dogs. It is lack of leadership by the humans and the dog is now running the pack. Of course dogs cannot live without the pack they are responsible for!!!! I cannot live without my children either, they are the reason I get out of bed in the morning (ok, at my age, the bladder has something to do with it too). > > Dogs that can be moved from pack to pack are dogs that understand that they are following not leading the pack. 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