Msg: #1 in digest From: "Steve Grainger" <hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: Obedience judge was wrong Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 12:04:31 -0500 I agree with you Tom..When I started in dogs I did obedience...then I graduated to teaching. Whenever my students were preparing for competition..especially during the long sits and downs..we would intentionally have some of the other students walk their dogs very close to the dogs that were doing the exercise...we would try to create as many distractions as possible. We even had other students doing the recall ex cerise in front of the dogs that were in the line up. I would walk between them..step over the top of them. the object of the exercise was to reinforce to the dog..that no matter what the circumstance..he was not to break the sit or down, not matter what temptation was presented. In my opinion..if you have to have a "sterile" environment in order for your dog to obey you..then you dog is not trained..and is not obedient. I saw a similar situation in WI this past Sept. the obedience people were yiping about the interstate noise..and the noise created at the conformation ring. My suggestion would be to take your dog and train him where there is traffic...and also take your dog and practice some exercises at some inside all-breed shows..where there is alot of noise and tons of distractions. That is how I used to do it..and often my dogs were in the ribbons at all breed obedience trials.C.Grainger /from a new person to the GSD ring, I have shown another breed in obedience and titled them also, even to having the #2 for the year in the breed,.,,,, but with the intelligence of the GSD breed, why do they need so much "extra help" to show to their fullest potential in the conformation ring? can't they "learn" to show with animation, stack and be alert without all of the outside ring help? if they don't have the "attitude" in the ring then maybe they just don't like showing..... other breeds show to their fullest without the extra help, many trained to do so and others who just love to show. From someone who has shown other breeds and heard the negative comments about how the GSD must not be able to learn to show without all the extras,,,,,the double handling doesn't make them look that much better to others, only that they need help...... just a question,,,,, knowing in advance that I will get slammed down for asking, in reading responses from other questions, <g> this list is very clique' to new people <g> donna / -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.10 - Release Date: 5/13/2005 --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================