Randy is absolutely correct. I will add that many of us are beyond the age that permits training the dog to fly around the specialty ring and are not willing to send our dogs to "camp _____" for months of training for said specialty ring. We are seeing some excellent dogs at the AB shows these days, and some of the more recently approved judges are recognizing a good one. If you go to the Onofrio website and look up show results, you might be pleasantly surprised at the names you see winning. A good dog is a good dog, or that's how it should be. Carolyn RChesnut70502@xxxxxxx wrote: In a message dated 8/18/2007 3:48:21 PM Central Daylight Time, GrnRam415 writes: A good AB dog can't win in specialties and a good specialty dog may or may not win in AB shows, depending on what the Judge thinks will be the best representative for the public. What do you consider a good AB dog? A good German Shepherd should win in either ring, PERIOD! Good German Shepherds are not appreciated in (most) AB rings. First, most of the rings are too damn small. Second, most of the judges are seriously lacking the proper knowledge to evaluate a goo GSD. Your last statement is a beauty. We should be more concerned with what is correct than what people think. Thats no way to judge a dog. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it! Randy C. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================