In a message dated 8/17/2007 11:52:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rbuffdogs@xxxxxxxxx writes: Yesterday , Ken and I were showing one of our puppies, a coat, to a very nice lady. She has extensive experience in about every phase of dogdom, from SAR to obedience, law enforcement, you name it. She seemed to have an xint eye for structure, and definently knew what she liked. She has often admired some of the American show dogs , although not the "over angulated ones" (her words) as well as some of the German dogs "but not the ones with the rounded backs" again, her words. ****************************** Kathy here. I agree. I don't care for overangulated dogs either, and I do like some German dogs but hate one w/ a roach. Fortunately, the numbers of both seem to be decreasing. ****************************** She said she had a couple of real "oldsters" and she was thinking about bringing a puppy home in the next year. She expressed and interest in the conformation ring but said......" I know that the conformation/ show ring is SO POLITICAL , that a newcomer doesn't stand a chance. That is what has stopped me from pursuing it..." (her words) It hit me like a bolt , and I felt physically sick from it. IS THIS THE REPUTATION AND THE IMAGE WE HAVE BUILT FOR OUR BREED, OUR SPORT??????? IF THIS IS THE PERCEPTION OF A LEARNED DOG-PERSON, THEN WHAT MUST JOE AVERAGE NEWCOMER THINK?? ****************************** Me again. Of course that's the perception, I hear it all the time. I heard it at a barbeque recently where a fellow had gotten into labs, and got out after throwing a bunch of money away and ending up with two dogs w/ issues, so it's certainly not just "us". There's a lot of truth to the perception....BUT...there are those who don't bother to get involved, or get out after being stung, then there's "us" who keep forging ahead. ***************************** Nauseating guys, I have to tell you. It spoke VOLUMES. Kathy Tank Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit www.geocities.com/pinehillgsds ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================