Not just these days. Over the years, there have been quite a few specialty dogs, including a couple of GVs and maybe more than one GVX, too, plus dozens of Select dogs and bitches, AND local specialty Breed and Best Op winners, who have won at all breed shows..............more so in the past decade or two, maybe, but maybe not. Quite a few of us who judge in both arenas have judged those dogs...given them majors, final points, Group placements and wins, and even Bests in Show............not always knowing who the dogs were....and, in some cases, before the dogs did much winning at specialties. I will agree that often the rings are too small at some of the all breeds...but not all of them.........and I've stood ringside with Jimmy Moses while some judge butchered the classes, and done the same with Tom Castriota and more.............but still, sometimes, the judges get it right.........and the really good ones are good no matter where they are. Peggy carolyn mckenna wrote: > We are seeing some excellent dogs at the AB shows these > days, and some of the more recently approved judges are recognizing a > good one. If you go to the Onofrio website and look up show results, you > might be pleasantly surprised at the names you see winning. A good dog is a > good dog, or that's how it should be. > Carolyn > > ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================