No, I'm saying that we have to start understanding the difference between substandard kennels and others. Commercial kennels who know if they supply puppies who are sick, diseased, crippled, they won't have buyers come back for more. Commercial kennels who don't take care of the adult breeders will not have healthy puppies. That's why Hunte and other Brokers are learning how to make their "product" better, so they can charge more and have more return buyers. I do NOT like that concept, but if the pups are there, I would rather they come from places who know they can't supply an inferior "product" and stay in business. A good breeder, exhibitor went to one of the Brokers' seminars, a 3 day conference, but she only went one day. The information that was given to the commercial breeders was FAR beyond that which AKC breeder seminars give us. It was an eye opening experience for her as she went to scoff. And the commercial breeders were asking questions that we would ask in a breeders' seminar. It was a very interesting read. Those who do as you describe SHOULD be put out of business by laws that are already in place. And put in prison imo. But HSUS should not be the impetus for NEW laws that are not really aimed at the substandard law breaking kennels, but at ALL of us. THAT is what I have to keep in my mine, and I don't breed anymore. But if I want to get another dog in my lifetime, I want to be able to do so without government interference in whether I breed it, microchip it, keep it intact or.... S On Mar 21, 2009, at 9:40:03 AM, "Liane Fossland" <lfossland@xxxxxxx> wrote: Essentially you are saying that these puppy mills are necessary to supply the public with the demand for puppies as we are unable to satisfy this demand? If that is true then why can't they operate under stricter guidelines? Why is it that they are allowed to dispose of the "overhead" in ditches covered with dead bodies and sell those who are still alive? I don't get it. I would prefer that the public be grossly informed of their future pet's origin and be selective as they venture for a life time companion. Perhaps I am talking down the road but believe it could be done. Lee F. -- Stormy Hope www.carpoc.org AKC Legislative Liaison, GSDCA Sunshine Squad <showgsd.org/sunshine.html) GSDs and more ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================