People who go to shows often and see what judges put up will take note and only
bring that judge (if ever entered under them) the type and style of the dog
they have seen win under that judge. Some judges put up dogs that seem to
come from a particular breeder, maybe they like what they produce. Some we
have no idea why the judge places the dogs the way we do, they must obviously
see something we don't? I have a huge problem understanding, however when dogs
shy away from the judge, may even slip the collar and run and when brought back
into the ring takes the award.......what "perception" do I come up with in that
case?
MYJOY SHEPHERDS
Joyce Willis
-----Original Message-----
From: Evan Ginsburg <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: showgsd-l <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Mon, Apr 27, 2015 11:50 am
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Entries
The real problem is education. I just heard that a lot of people have
declined entries under Ken Tank because they think he will put up German style
dogs.
I have seen Ken judge and anyone who has seem judge knows what a good job he
does. Just because he finished a German mix, people who don't know better,
expect him to only put up that type of dog.
I know I did myself a lot of harm by putting up Ann Schultz' entries when I
judged in Michigan. I have heard that I only put up Ann. In truth I thought of
that when I judged, but I had to go with what I felt was the best in the ring.
It is important to understand a judge and not form an opinion on bad
information.
Futurities and dog shows suffer from perception. The only solution is
education and understanding. Perhaps with so much social media there is too
much reliance on bad information.
On the other hand, maybe they are right.
Evan
-----Original Message-----
From: Theresa-GSD Stolz <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Showlist <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; jolisgsd <jolisgsd@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Mon, Apr 27, 2015 8:08 am
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: elephants
I do not see any reason why a GSD owner or breeder without a Professional
Handler would
want to show their dog today at a Specialty Show Several
handlers are also judges so know each other and
the owner without a handler
would never place. Solution would be a class for
only owners or breeders that
have never used a handler. If just one club tried
it they might be surprised of
the outcome of how many GSDs might arrive.
At the ABS same situation as most
judges know the Professional Handlers and will chose them if
they are there.
Years ago there were not as many Professional Handlers and the individual had
a
better chance. I do not see things changing except probably less and less GSDs
being shown
in the future. As people get older and no longer are here it is
only going to get worse in time.
Theresa
scenecrest.geo@xxxxxxxxx
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On
Mon, 4/27/15, Linda Terry <jolisgsd@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I quit showing
my
puppies in the futurities/maturities back in 2003. My
20 month old male had
finished his championship with a 5
point major the day before (against many of
the same dogs
that were in his maturity). But at the maturity itself, he
entered and exited the ring in the same position. He did
not have a big name
handler, or a big name breeder, or a big
name owner and I don't think the
judge ever gave him a
second look. Aren't judges of the
futurities/maturities not "official" judges, but
successful breeders/owners?
I'm sure it's
difficult to have the confidence to look beyond the handlers
at such a hyped up venue. Maybe this sounds like sour
grapes, and maybe it
is, but I came away from that
experience with the perception that the
futurities/maturities were just too much expense and too
much effort for very
little reward. I wish I would have
been around when whole litters were shown
in one futurity.
That would have been fun to watch and very educational.
It
would have been nice to see what "local" dogs
were producing.
--
Linda
Terry
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