YES, have you ever taken a walk, (I'm sure you have, lol) down an AB grooming alley, and watch the powders and sprays flying???? It is amazing. I think the problem with doubling that some have is the overt way it is done, loud, obnoxious...good grief, it is DEAFENING when you have someone running around with whistles, etc, even at a specialty ring...do they not realize that a dog's ears are HUGELY sensitive? Also the constant noise will eventually turn them off, and they will "tune out" their offending , but well meaning doubler, lol. Subtle....very subtle, that's the key, esp in small rings, or specialty rings that are not very big. Kathy Finest in American Show & German Importing WEBSITE UPDATED: MAY 7, 2005 _Victory German Shepherds_ (http://www.victorygermanshepherds.com/index.htm) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================