[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Double handling
- From: Colleen Donnelly <gsdsforlife@xxxxxxxx>
- To: hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, showgsd-l <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 13:45:42 -0400 (EDT)
How did you get to "some disdain for conformation showing" from where the
conversation was Christine? Talk about making a mountain out a mole hill.
I refuse to be "baited" to your accusations. I'm done with this thread.
Colleen Donnelly
Steve Grainger <hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Why are you on a conformation show List, you obviously have some disdain
for conformation showing? Even at the all-breed shows dogs are baited to
show animation..it may be acceptable..but it is still a form of enhancing
the dogs performance. Why do people train with treats? Have you not heard
of positive reinforcement training?. I have known obedience exhibitors to
carry treats in their pockets while in the ring so that the dog anticipates
the reward at the end of the performance.I have seen some rub the treats on
their hands so the dog anticipates getting the reward. Bait is a no-no is
not allowed in the obedience ring but they "break the rules" and do it
anyhow. I have seen obedience exhibitors train their dogs on the show
site..this is a big no-no,too..but they used to sneak and do it anyhow now
many just do it openly..seems they have no problem "breaking the rules". I
am certain if you get out enough and observe both venues of performance you
will see people "breaking the rules."C.Grainger
> [Original Message]
> From: Colleen Donnelly
> To: ;
> Date: 5/15/2005 5:35:19 PM
> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Double handling
>
> So in essence you are saying the rules can be broken so why not. Well
then why the he** are there even rules there?
>
> Why would you assume everyone would be "lumbering" around? The dogs that
are *happy* to show would still strut their stuff! Maybe a change would
need to be made to ring size or shape or something?
>
> Your theory about speeding up if everyone else around you is speeding is
scary. That requires absolutely no thought. Isn't that like being a sheep
instead of the herder?
>
> Colleen
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Double handling is part of dog shows today. It may be against AKC rules,
but
> then if the AKC were serious enough, the practice would be easy for them
to
> stop by making the rule a strict one with always enforced hard penalties.
In
> Germany, doubling is part of the game. In England, it is apparently
banned.
> Somewhere in between we have AKC shows. I suppose we could all dress up
in our
> Sunday best and silently watch our dogs lumbering around the ring until
the
> judge politely points to one or the other? I prefer a little excitement
though
> ... and doubling can actually become a side competition in itself.
>
> My theory is simple. If I'm driving the speed limit and everyone is
passing
> me, I speed up. It's either that or get run over eventually.
>
> Tom Langlitz
>
>
>
============================================================================
> POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the
original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS
of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author
AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED.
>
> ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY
MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS
PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY
FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE
PROSECUTED.
>
> For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org
>
============================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
> GERMAN SHEPHERD DOG BREED BETTERMENT REGISTRY
>
> The only way to understand & estimate the nature of the dog is to study
his whole development. Such a task requires a sympathetic, dog-loving
observer, who tries as far as possible to enter into the innermost mind of
the dog, and who will know how to short-circuit all his purely human points
of view. --Max von Stephanitz
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals
>
>
>
============================================================================
> POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the
original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS
of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author
AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED.
>
> ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY
MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS
PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY
FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE
PROSECUTED.
>
> For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org
>
============================================================================
============================================================================
POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original
author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind
are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the
Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED.
ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY
MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS
PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY
FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE
PROSECUTED.
For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx
VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org
============================================================================
GERMAN SHEPHERD DOG BREED BETTERMENT REGISTRY
The only way to understand & estimate the nature of the dog is to study his
whole development. Such a task requires a sympathetic, dog-loving observer, who
tries as far as possible to enter into the innermost mind of the dog, and who
will know how to short-circuit all his purely human points of view. --Max von
Stephanitz
---------------------------------
Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals
============================================================================
POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original
author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind
are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the
Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED.
ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY
MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS
PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY
FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE
PROSECUTED.
For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx
VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org
============================================================================
Other related posts:
