[rollei_list] Re: OT Mapplethorpe (was Re: Re:)
- From: "Marvin" <marvin0@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 21:27:40 +0800
Mark,
You are right in so far as Newton may be an admired fashion photographer.
However, as I am sure you are aware fashion photographers are not admired in
arty type environments such as a university specializing in the arts.
The particular genre-fashion photography-in the UK is placed most often in
colleges at not so high an academic level but technically very good. Not Uni
but college as it were.
The hierarchy of art goes Architecture at the top, fashion down at the
bottom, fashion photography just a little higher than fashion itself.
This was borne out by my experience in art school with the fashion students
being looked down on, that is aside from the beautiful girls.
Marvin.
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Subject: [rollei_list] Re: OT Mapplethorpe (was Re: Re:)
>
> On Sunday, March 07, 2010, at 06:07PM, "Marvin" <marvin0@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>> I am not trying be argumentative with you(before we begin Carlos).You
>> mention "Helmut Newton," his work was considered so bad, particularly the
>> way he negatively portrays women, that his books had to be removed from
the
>> university library. If they weren't the feminists' would steal his books
and
>> dump them in the bin or tear them up Bob Carlos Clarke's work suffered
the
>> same fate.
>
> Actualy Newtons done some good. work. I would be concerned that an
> institution which removed Newtons work from their shelves for reasons of
> political corectness might consider themselves a university, it just seems
a
> little pretentious to me.
> Laurence Cuffe
>
> From his obituary in the NYT
> "Mr. Newton received many awards for his work, including the Grand Prix
> National de la Ville de Paris and Commander in the Order of Arts and
Letters.
> In October, he donated more than 1,000 of his pictures to a German
cultural
> foundation for a museum intended to be a national center for photography.
It
> is scheduled to open in June in Berlin. "
> ---
> Rollei List
Newton is the most admired and copied fashion photographer of our age. Maybe
a tad less than Avedon. A legend in his own time. (was working long after
people thought he was dead) but not so much a gallery guy mainly a magazine
guy. And some books. He had everybody ripping his look off. Turned out the
best guy to rip off the Newton look was Newton as he turned out to not be
dead. He just was under the weather for a while.
A gal in a neck brace is not so edgy as a guy with his pants off it could
be thought. Mapplethorpe took things quite a bit further than Newton
obviously. But then nude full frontal guys are not going to be in the Paris
Vogues. That's for galleries not magazines.
[Rabs]
Mark William Rabiner
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