[rollei_list] Re: (No From: Mark Rabiner <mark@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- From: Eric Goldstein <egoldste@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 08:07:13 -0500
Marvin, go back and review all that you wrote on this thread... your
thoughts have become so convoluted and looped that you no longer realize
what it is you were arguing. Believe me, if we could beam you up, we would!
Eric Goldstein
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On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 7:53 AM, Marvin <marvin0@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Eric for the record I never said Mapplethorp was the "best" which you have
> mentioned previously I never use those terms, I said he stands head and
> shoulders above the rest as a master of the square format.
> If you don’t think training in art qualifies one to talk about art-all I
> can
> say is BEAM ME UP SCOTTIE.
>
> Marvin.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Eric Goldstein
> Sent: 08 March 2010 08:48
> To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [rollei_list] Re: (No From: Mark Rabiner <mark@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> Marvin -
>
> My comment to has nothing to do with high art, low art, or art
> anywhere in between. Neither does it have to do with commercial
> success, critical success, cultural or political acceptance, or
> psychological interpretation. And equally immaterial is your training
> in photography as art. I am simply pointing out that a statement any
> any single artist being the top choice of any body of critics by any
> measure of mastery is absurd, nonsensical and meaningless.
>
> If common sense and a little thought does not clarify this for you,
> the fact that you have heard from several knowledgeable judges on this
> list which contradict you view should be proof enough.
>
>
> Eric Goldstein
>
> --
>
> On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 4:29 PM, Marvin <marvin0@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Hello Eric, I never claimed to have experience with the art world in any
> > post past or present.
> > I claim to have been trained in a school which considers photography an
> art.
> > This I am sure encompasses much aesthetic and intellectual snobbery-but
> that
> > is the nature of the beast.
> >
> > Second, I think that Mapplethorp is considered the master of the square
> > format, both for the aesthetic and the philosophical content of his
> > work-which has been severely psyco-analyized by art critics, even
> > politicians since his work is so controversial. These considerations are
> > aside from the phenomenal sales of his work which I never considered and
> > which Mark R pointed out(thanks).
> >
> > I realize this "high art" approach often puts me at odds with
> photographers
> > such as yourself, who have well developed and perhaps successful careers
> in
> > photography.
> > The danger with this kind of internet discourse centers around semantics
> its
> > use or abuse.
> > I think that we are at cross purposes because we are often talking about
> > different genres, commercial-family album-documentary-fashion etc.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Marvin.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Eric Goldstein
> > Sent: 08 March 2010 00:01
> > To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [rollei_list] Re: (No From: Mark Rabiner <mark@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> >
> > Marvin -
> >
> > You may, but if you have the serious knowledge and experience with the
> > critical art world that you've claimed in the past, you would not be
> > asking. To state that any one artist is at the top cannot be
> > substantiated and is unsupportable...
> >
> > Eric Goldstein
> >
> > --
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 12:47 AM, <rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >>> Thanks for your input Eric, may I ask why the statement ludicrous?
> >>> Marvin.
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