You Wrote: "There were some feminists in the late 70's who thought that just about any fashion or glamour photography was a negative objectification of women that the whole fashion industry was a plot to make women feel bad about themselves. They're not saying that any more so much if at all as it was obvious really embarrassing nonsense from the get go. They didn't like Newton of course. The fashion industry is about selling a dress. Nobody has the slightest interest in anybody's self concept. Its about money making. Business. And the photographing and painting and drawing of beautiful people includes of course men as well as women. So if we want to look at pretty people who the hell cares? Those people are well paid. A lot more than the photographers that's for sure." The idea that feminists are no longer interested in the "feminist agenda" is LUDICROUS!!Several friends of mine who are professional models here in Hong Kong all of New Zealand origin all face problems related to there involvement in the industry. One has even been interviewed by a national newspaper and questioned on the negative portrayal of women that she was supposed to have colluded with. Marvin. --- Rollei List - Post to rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx - Subscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Unsubscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Online, searchable archives are available at //www.freelists.org/archives/rollei_list