[pure-silver] Re: Yellow edges
- From: DarkroomMagic <info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: PureSilverNew <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 02:10:34 +0200
Agfa, Ilford and Kodak literature indicate FB fixing times to be between 2x
and 3x that of RC fixing times. Why do you think that is?
Regards
Ralph W. Lambrecht
On 2005-05-26 00:09, "Richard Knoppow" <dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> From: "Ryuji Suzuki" <rs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Yellow edges
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>> From: "Richard Knoppow" <dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Yellow edges
>> Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 16:46:37 -0700
>>
>>> This is a better test than any test of the hypo itself
>>> because it
>>> shows if the hypo is working.
>>
>> That's an overstatement. Iodide precipitation test has its
>> own
>> advantage of being able to test the fixer solution at the
>> beginning of
>> each shift in roomlight, or without spending a lot of time
>> to produce
>> questionably fixed prints just for testing. The result of
>> standard
>> iodide precipitation test is conservative enough so that
>> given enough
>> fixing time prints are most likely fixed well enough not
>> to cause
>> positive results with sulfide or any other toner. I would
>> rather
>> recommend to spend same effort in more productive way, by
>> toning all
>> important prints. (and this may require to adjust printing
>> to obtain
>> the desired effect after toning.)
>>
>>> RC papers generally have thin emulsions so they fix
>>> and
>>> wash very rapidly.
>>
>> That's not the reason RC washes rapidly. Although some
>> manufacturers
>> use slightly different emulsions on RC and FB in the same
>> product
>> line, the fixing times are generally comparable and I
>> don't see a
>> general trend for the relation of emulsion "thickness"
>> between
>> different supports.
>>
>
> Yes, a mis-statement and I realized it after sending
> this. I know that any differences in fixing time between RC
> and fiber paper are due to different emulsions. All paper
> emulsions are thin since light must pass through them twice.
> My understanding is that fiber paper fixes out in about the
> same time as RC.
>
> As far as the Iodide precipition test, the iodide
> precipition test needs to be done with some understanding of
> the amount of dissolved silver it will indicate. If done
> correctly, it will show partially exhausted fixer before it
> stops fixing adequately. However, IMO, it can also be
> misleading. The stain test is positive. It can be done with
> a scrap of paper processed with the run of prints. If it
> indicates inadequate fixing its possible to re-fix the batch
> in a fresh fixer bath. Both tests have their places.
> BTW, do you have any literature on the quantitive.
>
> Another note on fixing times. Old handbooks often give
> very long times for fixing, on the order of 15 or 20 minutes
> for both film and paper. I think there are two reasons for
> this. One was to try to insure complete fixing where
> slopping processing practice was used. That is, many prints
> in a tray with inadequate agitation and, perhaps, partially
> exhausted fixer. The other reason is perhaps more obscure:
> it is to insure complete _hardening_. Sometimes the hardener
> took longer to work than the fixer took to fix.
> I rather wonder how much other "conventional"
> recommendations were based on trying to overcome expected
> poor practice.
>
> ---
> Richard Knoppow
> Los Angeles, CA, USA
> dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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