[project1dev] Re: an idea, what do you guys think?
- From: Kent Petersen <kentkmp@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 10:27:58 -0800
Added Erics response to the wiki
On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 11:42 AM, eric drewes <figarus@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> *Are we trying to tell a story, or is the focus primarily on gameplay?*
>
> I don't really think we need to compromise one for the other, I want to
> have great gameplay and story.
>
> *Who is the Old Man?*
>
> the strange man at the void is a powerful man - he will make cameos
> throughout the game as both an ally, a villain and a narrator for the story.
> Unlike most characters, he can break the 4th wall and talk directly to the
> player.
>
> *For what reason is he battling the Gods?*
> *Are the Gods good or evil?*
>
> The Gods in this game are Good and Evil. basically the strange man is a
> powerful being who wants to free mortals from the will of the gods, he
> believes in freedom above all and doesn't like that people are subjected to
> the will of Gods. He wants to destroy the gods and let the universe be
> free.
>
> *Why is the Player chosen by the Old Man?*
>
> Basically, the first half of the game takes place before the the player
> awakens in the void (this game will be nonlinear timewise), the player isn't
> so much chosen by the strange man as that is just the way the story will
> develop throughout the chapters of the first half of the game. Basically
> the game will start off very low fantasy and build up to the point where the
> player will join the strange man in the battle with the gods.
>
> *How did the Player die / find themselves in the Void?*
>
> The player dies in the final battle with the gods, the void is the
> afterlife and the strange man is now proctor of the afterlife because all
> the gods are dead, he is creating a carnival so that the dead souls have a
> place to exist and have fun ha.
>
> *How do we plan on conveying the plot to the player? (Linearly, up to the
> point of Choice, or giving questions and decisions along the way)*
>
> the story will be told through chapters, with each chapter telling a story
> about the player and other characters in the game and developing towards the
> finale of the first half of the game. there will be linear sections,
> nonlinear sections, places where the players choices dictate how the story
> plays out, etc. The second half will be sandboxish where you're given a
> huge world to explore freely and you can take on mini storylines and
> adventures, fight monsters, participate in a ton of activities.
>
>
> _Relating to Setting_
>
> *A**re there going to be towns with NPC characters in the game?*
>
> yes sir.
>
> *What is the structure of government in the towns?*
> *Is each town an individually governed entity, or are they part of a
> larger nation / city-state?*
> *Are there multiple nations / city-states?*
> *What is the relationship between the various nations / city-states?
> (militarily, diplomatically, economically)*
> *What is the relationship between the various towns?*
> *Are the people patriotic, or just trying to get by in whatever situation
> they find themselves in?*
> *What type of society exists in the towns? (Feudal, communal, caste,
> nobility/peasant, etc.)*
> *What is the average standard-of-living? (Are people rich, poor, etc)*
> *What type of people live in the towns? (farmers, laborers, craftsman,
> nobles, etc.)*
>
> there will be opposing cities at war, small farming villages, etc. these
> are fairly detailed questions but basically there will be a lot of
> diversity, I was going to post about the settings of each chapter as they
> came up because it will take a lot of writing to get this described (a
> book's worth!). We do have a town in the next milestone so I will start
> working on a detailed description of the first area and answers for that
> town to all your questions. basically there will be a huge variety of
> everything
>
> *What role do the Gods play in the everyday life of the people, if any?*
>
> there will be religions but basically the influence of the gods is behind
> teh scenes like puppet masters, that is one of the problems the strange man
> has with them, they control things and he doesn't like that.
>
> *What is the level of technology in the world?*
>
> the level of tech will be early gunpowder era, so there are guns and
> cannons but they aren't refined very well and medieval weaponry like swords
> and armor are still common. there will be a lot of analog technology like
> clockwork and steam powered stuff also, so it is kind of steampunk-ish.
>
> *Is it sciencey-tech or magicy-tech?*
>
> Magic will be in the game but it will be sparse, basically only 4 real
> sorcerers exist in the world and they are all powerful and kind of doing
> their own thing. magic is not a part of every day life for citizens of this
> world and most people will consider magic to be rumors.
>
> *Is it common for people to come “back from the dead”, or however we
> describe the player's state?*
> *Is there magic in the world?*
> *How commonplace is magic?*
>
> the player will be reliving his/her life in the first half of the game, so
> they won't be back from the dead, i want to keep it as low fantasy and
> non-magical as i can, the original concept for the game had zero magic, a
> totally regular world, but i didn't want to cut out the fun opportunities
> magic can provide. however, there is no healing magic persay
>
> *What is the overall tone of the world? (Impoverished, Mysterious,
> Magical, Mundane, etc)*
>
> well, i want there to be secrets and mysteries everywhere, i wouldnt say
> the world at large has a single tone but the majority of people are just
> regular people living their lives in their world, i love mad scientists
> though and crazy contraptions, i love different cultures, i love all kinds
> of strange and wondrous things so it won't be mundane and whitewashed, there
> will be a *ton *of diversity as far as settings go.
>
> *Does the world have a Mythology?*
>
> I will have to address this later, but the answer is yes. I will get
> design documents for this going.
>
> *What is the level of education among the NPCs?*
>
> it will vary
> *
> *
> *Will NPCs have pre-existing knowledge of the Player's character before
> the game begins, or will he be a new face?*
>
> he will be a known character for some, a new face for others depending on
> the town/setting of the chapter
>
> *How do the NPCs treat strangers?*
>
> it will vary.
>
> *Is travel common between towns / nations / city-states?*
>
> boat, train, blimp, wagon, foot, the sky is the limit, we will have various
> forms of transportation between towns depending on where they are, their
> theme, etc.
>
> *Is there a method of mass-communication, or merely word-of-mouth and
> messengers? (How connected are the various locations?)*
>
> there will probably be telegraph and carrier pidgeon, along with pony
> express and mail by train, some areas more advanced than others.
>
> *Is the world populated by “normal” animals (our world, medieval
> fantasies) or by Monsters / Demons / otherworldly beasts?*
> *Where do these monsters / demons / otherworldly beasts come from, should
> they exist?*
>
> well i would say that every creature in the game "could exist" - maybe
> we'll have a demon or 2 but by and large, we'll have creatures/monsters that
> could be created by man or evolve on their own (even if they dont exist on
> the real planet earth). You will be able to "hunt" and get skins and stuff
> but a lot of the enemies are going to be humanoid in nature, not just wild
> animals.
>
> *Are there relics of ancient civilizations (dungeons, castles, ruins)
> dotting the landscape, or is this the first growth of civilization?*
>
> there will be ancient relics for sure and actually hints that many
> civilizations have risen and fallen
>
>
> _Relating to Game Layout_
>
> *Is each chapter going to find the player in a separate set of zones,
> disconnected from those of other chapters (think Neverwinter Nights), or is
> the entire world going to be connected regardless of chapter (a la Final
> Fantasy)?*
>
> the first half of the game will be basically sepparated (but in some cases
> travel between zones will fit in the plot/story so it will be allowed. the
> second half of the game will have the whole world opened up.
>
> Is the player going to be a silent protagonist, or a vocal force in the
> gameworld?
>
> vocal force, ala guybrush threepwood :)
>
> *Is the player going to be solo, or controlling a party of characters?*
>
> a party of characters, some story based, some generic
>
> *In the end, is the player going to have free control of the camera (a la
> NWN, WoW, etc) or a fixed / preset camera view (a la Final Fantasy X and
> earlier FFs)*
>
> fixed overhead camera for exploration, with different camera angles for
> certain scenes/locations
>
> On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 2:05 PM, eric drewes <figarus@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> these are great gabe, I'll work on this right now. give me a few minutes
>> - also everyone, could you please take a look at the email i just sent
>> "state of the union"
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 1:39 PM, gabriel taylor <aidyn66@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>
>>> Here's a list of questions I wrote up that will help us all get a more
>>> precise idea of the setting you're envisioning. Some of these may or may not
>>> be relevant relative to your vision, but by answering them, at least we'll
>>> know. :) I know some of this was in the milestone 2 info, but even that
>>> could be restated here, just so we have a single reference point. After it's
>>> all answered, we can post it on the wiki / forums so we have a single place
>>> to reference answers, while also being able to add more questions if we need
>>> clarification or if there are more questions.
>>>
>>> World-Building Questions
>>> _Relating to Overall Plot_
>>>
>>> Are we trying to tell a story, or is the focus primarily on gameplay?
>>> Who is the Old Man?
>>> For what reason is he battling the Gods?
>>> Are the Gods good or evil?
>>> Why is the Player chosen by the Old Man?
>>> How did the Player die / find themselves in the Void?
>>> How do we plan on conveying the plot to the player? (Linearly, up to the
>>> point of Choice, or giving questions and decisions along the way)
>>>
>>> _Relating to Setting_
>>>
>>> Are there going to be towns with NPC characters in the game?
>>> What is the structure of government in the towns?
>>> Is each town an individually governed entity, or are they part of a
>>> larger nation / city-state?
>>> Are there multiple nations / city-states?
>>> What is the relationship between the various nations / city-states?
>>> (militarily, diplomatically, economically)
>>> What is the relationship between the various towns?
>>> Are the people patriotic, or just trying to get by in whatever situation
>>> they find themselves in?
>>> What role to the Gods play in the everyday life of the people, if any?
>>> What type of society exists in the towns? (Feudal, communal, caste,
>>> nobility/peasant, etc.)
>>> What is the average standard-of-living? (Are people rich, poor, etc)
>>> What type of people live in the towns? (farmers, laborers, craftsman,
>>> nobles, etc.)
>>> What is the level of technology in the world?
>>> Is it sciencey-tech or magicy-tech?
>>> Is it common for people to come “back from the dead”, or however we
>>> describe the player's state?
>>> What is the overall tone of the world? (Impoverished, Mysterious,
>>> Magical, Mundane, etc)
>>> Does the world have a Mythology?
>>> What is the level of education among the NPCs?
>>> Will NPCs have pre-existing knowledge of the Player's character before
>>> the game begins, or will he be a new face?
>>> How do the NPCs treat strangers?
>>> Is travel common between towns / nations / city-states?
>>> Is there a method of mass-communication, or merely word-of-mouth and
>>> messengers? (How connected are the various locations?)
>>> Is the world populated by “normal” animals (our world, medieval
>>> fantasies) or by Monsters / Demons / otherworldly beasts?
>>> Where do these monsters / demons / otherworldly beasts come from, should
>>> they exist?
>>> Is there magic in the world?
>>> How commonplace is magic?
>>> Are there relics of ancient civilizations (dungeons, castles, ruins)
>>> dotting the landscape, or is this the first growth of civilization?
>>>
>>> _Relating to Game Layout_
>>>
>>> Is each chapter going to find the player in a separate set of zones,
>>> disconnected from those of other chapters (think Neverwinter Nights), or is
>>> the entire world going to be connected regardless of chapter (a la Final
>>> Fantasy)?
>>> Is the player going to be a silent protagonist, or a vocal force in the
>>> gameworld?
>>> Is the player going to be solo, or controlling a party of characters?
>>> In the end, is the player going to have free control of the camera (a la
>>> NWN, WoW, etc) or a fixed / preset camera view (a la Final Fantasy X and
>>> earlier FFs)
>>>
>>>
>>> eric drewes wrote:
>>>
>>>> hold on
>>>>
>>>> lemme hit the pause button here
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 1:31 PM, katie cook <ktmcook@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:
>>>> ktmcook@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ERIC, IM NOT BLAMING YOU OR POINTING A FINGER, I am just holding
>>>> you accountable for the things you say and do. There is no, your
>>>> fault my fault in this situation, just what happened for us to
>>>> both understand perspective.
>>>>
>>>> --- On *Sun, 11/15/09, eric drewes /<figarus@xxxxxxxxx
>>>> <mailto:figarus@xxxxxxxxx>>/* wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: eric drewes <figarus@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:figarus@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Subject: [project1dev] Re: an idea, what do you guys think?
>>>> To: project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>
>>>> Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 10:11 AM
>>>>
>>>> you literally are pointing a finger at me and blaming me.
>>>> "then you emailing me after it was done saying you wish I
>>>> would have done some things differently or added some
>>>> things..." that is totally INCORRECT. the only thing i said
>>>> was, lets try to add some exhaust pipes because i thought it
>>>> would look neat to add those on, that was literally the only
>>>> thing i said afterwards about it! Like, you tell me you want
>>>> feedback, i give you feedback and now you are complaining
>>>> about that.
>>>>
>>>> re: biobeast, in MAY you said you liked the concept art (I
>>>> forwarded the email to the list for your reference) and could
>>>> work off of it, that is why when you asked what you could do i
>>>> said "Biobeast?" How does reminding you that you have a
>>>> project assigned to you with already approved of concept art
>>>> do NOTHING FOR YOU?
>>>>
>>>> you also said: My first qalm, YOU DON"T HAVE A NAME
>>>> YET???????What am I supposed to do with that. I get the
>>>> scaffolding, framework, tools. Not sure about the box of light
>>>> bulbs, because if they are actually going to LOOK like like
>>>> bulbs, then there are some things to think about first before
>>>> doing that, like for instance the lighting...Modeling a light
>>>> bulb doesn't make sense to me to do unless we know how we plan
>>>> on lighting it...
>>>> *
>>>> *
>>>> the name isn't important because we just need the beginnings
>>>> of the sign being built, all of which you even say you get
>>>> here, the box of lightbulbs is a box of unlit lightbulbs, if
>>>> you didn't understand something or needed more details about
>>>> it, you should have asked...
>>>>
>>>> as far as:
>>>> also katie, are you interested in working on some art design
>>>> for some characters for me?
>>>>
>>>> I emailed you that I was interested...heard nothing back.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> well you had a project on your plate that you said you were
>>>> clear on and were ready to work so i figured i'd wait until
>>>> that got finished before moving on.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 12:57 PM, katie cook
>>>> <ktmcook@xxxxxxxxx <http://mc/compose?to=ktmcook@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Okay, Eric Let me spell it out for you...
>>>>
>>>> Biobeast? :P I dunno - ask nick to send his temple
>>>> props list for now and see if anything grabs you
>>>>
>>>> How does that address the biobeast. You put Biobeast?
>>>> That does NOTHING FOR ME. That just says to me hmmm. I
>>>> don't know and I'm blowing that off for now.
>>>>
>>>> Then went on to say that nick should send his list of
>>>> temple props and and see if anything grabs me. Why
>>>> should I ask nick send his temple props list,
>>>> shouldn't you be the one going through and delegating
>>>> to people what you want done and how?
>>>>
>>>> Or maybe... just asking nick to POST IT, so everyone
>>>> can see it, then speak up about what they want to do?
>>>>
>>>> NEXT- - -
>>>>
>>>> OK i want a sign for the carnival for in front of the
>>>> brick walls like big billboard style but i want it to
>>>> be "under construction" like have it being put up but
>>>> not even 25% finished if that makes sense. i will send
>>>> you some pics of my idea to your email
>>>>
>>>> I sent you an email detailing exactly what we needed
>>>> for this prop, including images for reference and a
>>>> general overview of what it was going to be when it
>>>> was finished - you replied 3 days later that you'd get
>>>> started on it!!!!!!!!
>>>>
>>>> Just cause you saw it 3 days later doesn't mean I
>>>> posted three days later. Besides the point though,
>>>> thats being petty...
>>>>
>>>> I will give you that this is a good STARTING POINT..But
>>>> You didn't send me an email detailing exactly what you
>>>> needed, this is what you sent me...
>>>>
>>>> Well we don't have the name yet so really we just want
>>>> the beginning stages of the sign, like the poles its
>>>> going on, scaffolding, tools, boxes of light bulbs, etc.
>>>>
>>>> My first qalm, YOU DON"T HAVE A NAME YET???????What am
>>>> I supposed to do with that. I get the scaffolding,
>>>> framework, tools. Not sure about the box of light
>>>> bulbs, because if they are actually going to LOOK like
>>>> like bulbs, then there are some things to think about
>>>> first before doing that, like for instance the
>>>> lighting...Modeling a light bulb doesn't make sense to
>>>> me to do unless we know how we plan on lighting it...
>>>>
>>>> we could have building materials, paint buckets, boxes
>>>> of light bulbs etc. on the ground next to the sign
>>>>
>>>> This is reiterating what you just said, no new input....
>>>>
>>>> also katie, are you interested in working on some art
>>>> design for some characters for me?
>>>>
>>>> I emailed you that I was interested...heard nothing back.
>>>>
>>>> I get that your trying Eric, and Im not trying to
>>>> point a finger at you. I'm not blaming you or getting
>>>> mad at you. I just saying that this is my perspective,
>>>> and sometimes its not always so clear what your
>>>> wanting. Especially since I posted the wagon at least
>>>> twice and emailed you wanting to know if you wanted
>>>> anything specific on it or what not and never got any
>>>> input other than the initial picture, and then you
>>>> emailing me after it was done saying you wish I would
>>>> have done some things differently or added some things...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Katie
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 12:31 PM, katie cook
>>>> <ktmcook@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Eric,
>>>>
>>>> Its like we are swimming through mud. Anytime
>>>> you've given me something to do, it always been
>>>> just kinda a jist of something you want. Normally
>>>> I have to pick at you like a scab for more
>>>> details. And lately I have been just winging it,
>>>> then afterwards you speak up about how you wish I
>>>> would have included something or done something.
>>>> Well not to be a bitch or anything, but speak the
>>>> frick up. I am in this to follow your vison and do
>>>> whatever you want. BUT YOU HAVE TO TELL ME. After
>>>> the fact is aggravating and doesn't help me any.
>>>>
>>>> Can you please reveal to me where it is that you
>>>> have this all mapped out and that the art people
>>>> know what they are supposed to be doing. Obviously
>>>> I'm not the only one that is left wondering, which
>>>> would make one curious as to WHY we don't know.
>>>>
>>>> Katie
>>>>
>>>> --- On *Sat, 11/14/09, eric /<figarus@xxxxxxxxx>/*
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: eric <figarus@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>
>>>> Subject: [project1dev] Re: an idea, what do
>>>> you guys think?
>>>> To: project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 3:06 PM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I mean, I'm on my phone but I would say
>>>> really, people know what they need to be
>>>> working on and there are fairly extensive
>>>> design documents for pretty much every system
>>>> that needs developed - this current milestone
>>>> has had its tasks laid out multiple times and
>>>> people available to answer any questions
>>>> anyone has... Really you can lead a horse to
>>>> water but you can't make em drink... If you
>>>> guys are thirsty, slurp away. Frankly I'm
>>>> tired and aggravated of people complaining
>>>> about a lack of direction, every member of art
>>>> team has an assignment! Some tasks have been
>>>> assigned since may with little/no progress.
>>>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: gabriel taylor <aidyn66@xxxxxxxxx
>>>> <http://mc/compose?to=aidyn66@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 14:45:35
>>>> To: <project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> <http://mc/compose?to=project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> >>
>>>> Subject: [project1dev] Re: an idea, what do
>>>> you guys think?
>>>>
>>>> I agree with Katie here.
>>>>
>>>> From what I've been able to glean so far, it
>>>> seems that the overall
>>>> direction of the game does not exist in any
>>>> written format right now.
>>>> Without a clear perspective on the Whole
>>>> project, by which I don't mean
>>>> the details of coding/shading/artistry, but
>>>> rather the Scope, Setting,
>>>> Story, Length, it's difficult not only for
>>>> people to work ahead on
>>>> things that may not be immediately needed, but
>>>> difficult for everyone to
>>>> be certain they're on the same page with
>>>> regard to setting, tone,
>>>> desired functionality, etc. I think it would
>>>> be useful for everyone if
>>>> we were able to flesh out the world and story
>>>> behind the game, in order
>>>> to create a more consistent tone and direction
>>>> between everyone's work.
>>>> Once we have the setting and the story, which
>>>> will help create each
>>>> other as they're created, then we can divide
>>>> the game into
>>>> section/zones/areas (however you want to
>>>> distinguish parts of the game),
>>>> and work on sub-pieces from there. Also, we'd
>>>> be free to drum up basic
>>>> area design and layout before hammering out
>>>> too much detail on something
>>>> that may later be changed.
>>>>
>>>> It'd definitely be more useful to the art
>>>> team, and it couldn't hurt for
>>>> the design and coding teams as well.
>>>>
>>>> ~gabriel
>>>>
>>>> katie cook wrote:
>>>> > I just meant like what you said you are
>>>> feeling too.
>>>> >
>>>> > The art people are waiting on the coders,
>>>> the coders are waiting on
>>>> > the art people.
>>>> >
>>>> > It would be good to flush out the game
>>>> first, then worry about intricacys.
>>>> >
>>>> > Lay the foundation. Start to build up from
>>>> there...Frame work,
>>>> > insulation..etc.
>>>> >
>>>> > So figure out what we want in the game as
>>>> far as areas, length,
>>>> > storyline, plot, etc. whatever. Then figure
>>>> out what each area would
>>>> > entail, length, objective, etc. Then maybe
>>>> lay out a map or floorplan,
>>>> > then figure out what would be necessary to
>>>> make those areas functional
>>>> > based on the map and objective, then start
>>>> laying out temp models so
>>>> > guys can start scripting stuff, and figuring
>>>> out what the hiccups
>>>> > would be, then when that is at a good spot,
>>>> then start thinking about
>>>> > the intricacys, details, nicer models, etc.
>>>> >
>>>> > That way art people can always be working on
>>>> models, etc, while not
>>>> > interupting the scripters, etc. vice versa.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > --- On *Sat, 11/14/09, Alan Wolfe
>>>> /<alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx
>>>> <http://mc/compose?to=alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>>/*
>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > From: Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx
>>>> <http://mc/compose?to=alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>
>>>> > Subject: [project1dev] Re: an idea, what do
>>>> you guys think?
>>>> > To: project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> <http://mc/compose?to=project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>
>>>> > Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 11:29 AM
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks for the feedback Katie.
>>>> >
>>>> > How so on trying to build the house without
>>>> a foundation?
>>>> >
>>>> > What kinds of things or steps do you see us
>>>> missing as we are
>>>> > moving forward?
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks (:
>>>> >
>>>> > (and ps if anyone has feedback about
>>>> anything please feel free to
>>>> > speak up - or if youd rather email eric or i
>>>> in private please
>>>> > feel free!)
>>>> >
>>>> > On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 11:23 AM, katie cook
>>>> <ktmcook@xxxxxxxxx
>>>> <http://mc/compose?to=ktmcook@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>
>>>> > </mc/compose?to=ktmcook@xxxxxxxxx
>>>> <http://mc/compose?to=ktmcook@xxxxxxxxx>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > I think crappy temp models/temp art could be
>>>> very helpful in
>>>> > flushing things out.
>>>> >
>>>> > And working in a linear fashion isn't
>>>> necessarily all that
>>>> > important.
>>>> >
>>>> > I think option # 3 is a good idea, because
>>>> even if we work
>>>> > linear, we could always want to go back to
>>>> an area and spice
>>>> > it up or modify it if we see that something
>>>> else might work
>>>> > better functionally or what not.
>>>> >
>>>> > Alan, I think you are heading in a good
>>>> direction with that idea.
>>>> >
>>>> > It has been feeling a bit like we are trying
>>>> to build a house
>>>> > without laying a foundation first.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Katie
>>>> >
>>>> > --- On *Sat, 11/14/09, katie cook
>>>> /<ktmcook@xxxxxxxxx
>>>> <http://mc/compose?to=ktmcook@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>
>>>> > </mc/compose?to=ktmcook@xxxxxxxxx
>>>> <http://mc/compose?to=ktmcook@xxxxxxxxx>>>/*
>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > From: katie cook <ktmcook@xxxxxxxxx
>>>> <http://mc/compose?to=ktmcook@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>
>>>> > </mc/compose?to=ktmcook@xxxxxxxxx
>>>> <http://mc/compose?to=ktmcook@xxxxxxxxx>>>
>>>>
>>>> > Subject: [project1dev] Re: an idea, what do
>>>> you guys think?
>>>> > To: project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> <http://mc/compose?to=project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>
>>>> > </mc/compose?to=project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> <http://mc/compose?to=project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> >>
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> > Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 11:13 AM
>>>> >
>>>> > It seems like the focus has become more
>>>> about just getting
>>>> > the game made verses trying to build a game
>>>> that we are
>>>> > proud of and having fun making along the
>>>> way...WTF????
>>>> >
>>>> > Didn't know we were so concerned getting it
>>>> cranked out by
>>>> > a certain time...
>>>> >
>>>> > Anyway, just my thoughts.
>>>> >
>>>> > I had the impression that part of the goal
>>>> of the game was
>>>> > so people could use this as a stepping stone
>>>> for portfolio
>>>> > pieces, etc.
>>>> >
>>>> > Personally, I'd be embarassed to show anyone
>>>> the game, and
>>>> > I'd just show them my individual work if we
>>>> went this
>>>> > route, but it looks like we have already
>>>> begun going that
>>>> > way anyway...
>>>> >
>>>> > Katie
>>>> >
>>>> > --- On *Wed, 11/11/09, Alan Wolfe
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>>>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > From: Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx
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>>>> > Subject: [project1dev] an idea, what do you
>>>> guys think?
>>>> > To: project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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>>>>
>>>> > Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 10:09 PM
>>>> >
>>>> > Hey so i think one thing we've learned from
>>>> working on
>>>> > the RPG so far is that it takes A LOT of art :P
>>>> >
>>>> > Even with a lot of artists theres just a ton
>>>> of art to
>>>> > make and art takes quite a bit of time and
>>>> effort.
>>>> >
>>>> > i was thinking of a couple ideas to help
>>>> with this...
>>>> >
>>>> > #1 - finding free / cheap 3d models and
>>>> textures on
>>>> > the net and using them for things that we
>>>> don't care
>>>> > alot about (ie furniture perhaps or simple
>>>> props and
>>>> > things), that way we spend our "art time" on
>>>> the
>>>> > things we want custom which is the cool
>>>> stuff like
>>>> > bosses and specific items and characters
>>>> perhaps?
>>>> >
>>>> > #2 - we could try to make some efforts to
>>>> make art
>>>> > re-useable. This is hard for the void area
>>>> since it's
>>>> > very unique, but for the mine we worked on
>>>> last, we
>>>> > could have for instance made "generic cave
>>>> walls" art
>>>> > in a way that it was re-useable. When we have a
>>>> > library of re-useable art, building areas
>>>> should go
>>>> > quicker cause we already have art assets
>>>> made. We
>>>> > have the ability in game to colorize art
>>>> > programatically so we can recolor and reuse
>>>> models as
>>>> > well too.
>>>> >
>>>> > #3 - we could change our workflow. Instead
>>>> of trying
>>>> > to push towards milestones and have every
>>>> area 100%
>>>> > done before we move on we could change it up.
>>>> We
>>>> > could just build things up functionally with
>>>> whatever
>>>> > junky art we had (ie the temple as is would
>>>> be fine
>>>> > lol). As long as things are working
>>>> functionally we
>>>> > can move on. I think if we went a route like
>>>> this it
>>>> > would be good to keep a list somewhere of
>>>> what needed
>>>> > to be done artistically such as "the temple
>>>> needs real
>>>> > art and a decoration pass". The benefit to
>>>> going this
>>>> > route would be that we could just keep
>>>> building areas
>>>> > and moving the game forward. It may not look
>>>> pretty
>>>> > but it should be playable and it could be
>>>> made pretty
>>>> > over time.
>>>> >
>>>> > but hrm, just throwin some ideas out there
>>>> what do you
>>>> > guys think? Maybe we just say "meh" to art
>>>> quality
>>>> > and get the game built with a whole bunch of
>>>> temp /
>>>> > programmer art and worry about making it
>>>> pretty later
>>>> > on / at our leisure?
>>>> >
>>>> > It would be nice to move onto the next area
>>>> and start
>>>> > getting some story together and real game
>>>> play and
>>>> > stuff (:
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> .
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>
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