[project1dev] Re: an idea, what do you guys think?

  • From: Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 12:50:12 -0800

You have a good head on your shoulders Katie hehe

I grok what you are saying and think it's a great idea.  We kind of need
someone to organize that effort and take ownership over it to make sure it
gets done right.

'tis your idea so if you want to be "the man" (in the womanly sense!) hehe i
would think it would be all yours (unless anyone has objections)

if not, i dunno, is anyone else interested?

if multiple people are interested we could have a secret ballot and vote
perhaps (;

(or of course if anyone - or you Eric - think this isnt the key to us
finding teh winz feel free to speak up too lol)

or we can just thinkin about it for a while ::shrug::

i dunno... im gonna try to get the shader stuff checked in this weekend
::opens compiler::

hehe

On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 12:38 PM, katie cook <ktmcook@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> I just meant like what you said you are feeling too.
>
> The art people are waiting on the coders, the coders are waiting on the art
> people.
>
> It would be good to flush out the game first, then worry about intricacys.
>
> Lay the foundation. Start to build up from there...Frame work,
> insulation..etc.
>
> So figure out what we want in the game as far as areas, length, storyline,
> plot, etc. whatever. Then figure out what each area would entail, length,
> objective, etc. Then maybe lay out a map or floorplan, then figure out what
> would be necessary to make those areas functional based on the map and
> objective, then start laying out temp models so guys can start scripting
> stuff, and figuring out what the hiccups would be, then when that is at a
> good spot, then start thinking about the intricacys, details, nicer models,
> etc.
>
> That way art people can always be working on models, etc, while not
> interupting the scripters, etc. vice versa.
>
>
>
> --- On *Sat, 11/14/09, Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [project1dev] Re: an idea, what do you guys think?
> To: project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 11:29 AM
>
>
> Thanks for the feedback Katie.
>
> How so on trying to build the house without a foundation?
>
> What kinds of things or steps do you see us missing as we are moving
> forward?
>
> Thanks (:
>
> (and ps if anyone has feedback about anything please feel free to speak up
> - or if youd rather email eric or i in private please feel free!)
>
> On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 11:23 AM, katie cook 
> <ktmcook@xxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=ktmcook@xxxxxxxxx>
> > wrote:
>
>>  I think crappy temp models/temp art could be very helpful in flushing
>> things out.
>>
>> And working in a linear fashion isn't necessarily all that important.
>>
>> I think option # 3 is a good idea, because even if we work linear, we
>> could always want to go back to an area and spice it up or modify it if we
>> see that something else might work better functionally or what not.
>>
>> Alan, I think you are heading in a good direction with that idea.
>>
>> It has been feeling a bit like we are trying to build a house without
>> laying a foundation first.
>>
>>
>>
>> Katie
>>
>> --- On *Sat, 11/14/09, katie cook 
>> <ktmcook@xxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=ktmcook@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: katie cook <ktmcook@xxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=ktmcook@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >
>> Subject: [project1dev] Re: an idea, what do you guys think?
>> To: project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>
>> Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 11:13 AM
>>
>> It seems like the focus has become more about just getting the game made
>> verses trying to build a game that we are proud of and having fun making
>> along the way...WTF????
>>
>> Didn't know we were so concerned getting it cranked out by a certain
>> time...
>>
>> Anyway, just my thoughts.
>>
>> I had the impression that part of the goal of the game was so people could
>> use this as a stepping stone for portfolio pieces, etc.
>>
>> Personally, I'd be embarassed to show anyone the game, and I'd just show
>> them my individual work if we went this route, but it looks like we have
>> already begun going that way anyway...
>>
>> Katie
>>
>> --- On *Wed, 11/11/09, Alan Wolfe 
>> <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Alan Wolfe 
>> <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >
>> Subject: [project1dev] an idea, what do you guys think?
>> To: project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 10:09 PM
>>
>> Hey so i think one thing we've learned from working on the RPG so far is
>> that it takes A LOT of art :P
>>
>> Even with a lot of artists theres just a ton of art to make and art takes
>> quite a bit of time and effort.
>>
>> i was thinking of a couple ideas to help with this...
>>
>> #1 - finding free / cheap 3d models and textures on the net and using them
>> for things that we don't care alot about (ie furniture perhaps or simple
>> props and things), that way we spend our "art time" on the things we want
>> custom which is the cool stuff like bosses and specific items and characters
>> perhaps?
>>
>> #2 - we could try to make some efforts to make art re-useable.  This is
>> hard for the void area since it's very unique, but for the mine we worked on
>> last, we could have for instance made "generic cave walls" art in a way that
>> it was re-useable.  When we have a library of re-useable art, building areas
>> should go quicker cause we already have art assets made.  We have the
>> ability in game to colorize art programatically so we can recolor and reuse
>> models as well too.
>>
>> #3 - we could change our workflow.  Instead of trying to push towards
>> milestones and have every area 100% done before we move on we could change
>> it up.  We could just build things up functionally with whatever junky art
>> we had (ie the temple as is would be fine lol).  As long as things are
>> working functionally we can move on.  I think if we went a route like this
>> it would be good to keep a list somewhere of what needed to be done
>> artistically such as "the temple needs real art and a decoration pass".  The
>> benefit to going this route would be that we could just keep building areas
>> and moving the game forward.  It may not look pretty but it should be
>> playable and it could be made pretty over time.
>>
>> but hrm, just throwin some ideas out there what do you guys think?  Maybe
>> we just say "meh" to art quality and get the game built with a whole bunch
>> of temp / programmer art and worry about making it pretty later on / at our
>> leisure?
>>
>> It would be nice to move onto the next area and start getting some story
>> together and real game play and stuff (:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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