[project1dev] Re: an idea, what do you guys think?

From: eric drewes <figarus@xxxxxxxxx>
To: project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 12:32:57 -0500
*KATIE - you posted:*


You guys could give me something to do...ERIC...Ummmmmm....Yeah. =)

I posted last week that I am wide open. Whenever your ready for me to do
something, Holler.

Im eager. =)

Katie

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*less than an hour later I replied: *


Biobeast? :P I dunno - ask nick to send his temple props list for now and
see if anything grabs you

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*and i also posted shortly after that:*

OH

ive got a great one for you that i tink you will like katie.

ok i want a sign for the carnival for in fronnt of the brick walls like big
billboard style but i want it to be "under construction" like have it being
put up but not even 25% finished if that makes sense.  i will send you some
pics of my idea to your email

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I sent you an email detailing exactly what we needed for this prop,
including images for reference and a general overview of what it was going
to be when it was finished - you replied 3 days later that you'd get started
on it!!!!!!!!


On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 12:31 PM, katie cook <ktmcook@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Eric,
>
> Its like we are swimming through mud. Anytime you've given me something to
> do, it always been just kinda a jist of something you want. Normally I have
> to pick at you like a scab for more details. And lately I have been just
> winging it, then afterwards you speak up about how you wish I would have
> included something or done something. Well not to be a bitch or anything,
> but speak the frick up. I am in this to follow your vison and do whatever
> you want. BUT YOU HAVE TO TELL ME. After the fact is aggravating and doesn't
> help me any.
>
> Can you please reveal to me where it is that you have this all mapped out
> and that the art people know what they are supposed to be doing. Obviously
> I'm not the only one that is left wondering, which would make one curious as
> to WHY we don't know.
>
> Katie
>
> --- On *Sat, 11/14/09, eric <figarus@xxxxxxxxx>* wrote:
>
>
> From: eric <figarus@xxxxxxxxx>
>
> Subject: [project1dev] Re: an idea, what do you guys think?
> To: project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 3:06 PM
>
>
> I mean, I'm on my phone but I would say really, people know what they need
> to be working on and there are fairly extensive design documents for pretty
> much every system that needs developed - this current milestone has had its
> tasks laid out multiple times and people available to answer any questions
> anyone has... Really you can lead a horse to water but you can't make em
> drink... If you guys are thirsty, slurp away.  Frankly I'm tired and
> aggravated of people complaining about a lack of direction, every member of
> art team has an assignment!  Some tasks have been assigned since may with
> little/no progress.
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gabriel taylor 
> <aidyn66@xxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=aidyn66@xxxxxxxxx>
> >
> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 14:45:35
> To: <project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >
> Subject: [project1dev] Re: an idea, what do you guys think?
>
> I agree with Katie here.
>
> From what I've been able to glean so far, it seems that the overall
> direction of the game does not exist in any written format right now.
> Without a clear perspective on the Whole project, by which I don't mean
> the details of coding/shading/artistry, but rather the Scope, Setting,
> Story, Length, it's difficult not only for people to work ahead on
> things that may not be immediately needed, but difficult for everyone to
> be certain they're on the same page with regard to setting, tone,
> desired functionality, etc.  I think it would be useful for everyone if
> we were able to flesh out the world and story behind the game, in order
> to create a more consistent tone and direction between everyone's work.
> Once we have the setting and the story, which will help create each
> other as they're created, then we can divide the game into
> section/zones/areas (however you want to distinguish parts of the game),
> and work on sub-pieces from there.  Also, we'd be free to drum up basic
> area design and layout before hammering out too much detail on something
> that may later be changed.
>
> It'd definitely be more useful to the art team, and it couldn't hurt for
> the design and coding teams as well.
>
> ~gabriel
>
> katie cook wrote:
> > I just meant like what you said you are feeling too.
> >
> > The art people are waiting on the coders, the coders are waiting on
> > the art people.
> >
> > It would be good to flush out the game first, then worry about
> intricacys.
> >
> > Lay the foundation. Start to build up from there...Frame work,
> > insulation..etc.
> >
> > So figure out what we want in the game as far as areas, length,
> > storyline, plot, etc. whatever. Then figure out what each area would
> > entail, length, objective, etc. Then maybe lay out a map or floorplan,
> > then figure out what would be necessary to make those areas functional
> > based on the map and objective, then start laying out temp models so
> > guys can start scripting stuff, and figuring out what the hiccups
> > would be, then when that is at a good spot, then start thinking about
> > the intricacys, details, nicer models, etc.
> >
> > That way art people can always be working on models, etc, while not
> > interupting the scripters, etc. vice versa.
> >
> >
> > --- On *Sat, 11/14/09, Alan Wolfe 
> > /<alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>>/*
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >     From: Alan Wolfe 
> > <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>
> >
> >     Subject: [project1dev] Re: an idea, what do you guys think?
> >     To: 
> > project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >     Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 11:29 AM
> >
> >     Thanks for the feedback Katie.
> >
> >     How so on trying to build the house without a foundation?
> >
> >     What kinds of things or steps do you see us missing as we are
> >     moving forward?
> >
> >     Thanks (:
> >
> >     (and ps if anyone has feedback about anything please feel free to
> >     speak up - or if youd rather email eric or i in private please
> >     feel free!)
> >
> >     On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 11:23 AM, katie cook 
> > <ktmcook@xxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=ktmcook@xxxxxxxxx>
> >     
> > </mc/compose?to=ktmcook@xxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=ktmcook@xxxxxxxxx>>>
> wrote:
> >
> >         I think crappy temp models/temp art could be very helpful in
> >         flushing things out.
> >
> >         And working in a linear fashion isn't necessarily all that
> >         important.
> >
> >         I think option # 3 is a good idea, because even if we work
> >         linear, we could always want to go back to an area and spice
> >         it up or modify it if we see that something else might work
> >         better functionally or what not.
> >
> >         Alan, I think you are heading in a good direction with that idea.
> >
> >         It has been feeling a bit like we are trying to build a house
> >         without laying a foundation first.
> >
> >
> >
> >         Katie
> >
> >         --- On *Sat, 11/14/09, katie cook 
> > /<ktmcook@xxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=ktmcook@xxxxxxxxx>
> >         
> > </mc/compose?to=ktmcook@xxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=ktmcook@xxxxxxxxx>>>/*
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >             From: katie cook 
> > <ktmcook@xxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=ktmcook@xxxxxxxxx>
> >             
> > </mc/compose?to=ktmcook@xxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=ktmcook@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>
> >             Subject: [project1dev] Re: an idea, what do you guys think?
> >             To: 
> > project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >             
> > </mc/compose?to=project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >
> >
> >             Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 11:13 AM
> >
> >             It seems like the focus has become more about just getting
> >             the game made verses trying to build a game that we are
> >             proud of and having fun making along the way...WTF????
> >
> >             Didn't know we were so concerned getting it cranked out by
> >             a certain time...
> >
> >             Anyway, just my thoughts.
> >
> >             I had the impression that part of the goal of the game was
> >             so people could use this as a stepping stone for portfolio
> >             pieces, etc.
> >
> >             Personally, I'd be embarassed to show anyone the game, and
> >             I'd just show them my individual work if we went this
> >             route, but it looks like we have already begun going that
> >             way anyway...
> >
> >             Katie
> >
> >             --- On *Wed, 11/11/09, Alan Wolfe 
> > /<alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>
> >             
> > </mc/compose?to=alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>>>/*
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >                 From: Alan Wolfe 
> > <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>
> >                 
> > </mc/compose?to=alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>
> >                 Subject: [project1dev] an idea, what do you guys think?
> >                 To: 
> > project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >                 
> > </mc/compose?to=project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >
> >                 Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 10:09 PM
> >
> >                 Hey so i think one thing we've learned from working on
> >                 the RPG so far is that it takes A LOT of art :P
> >
> >                 Even with a lot of artists theres just a ton of art to
> >                 make and art takes quite a bit of time and effort.
> >
> >                 i was thinking of a couple ideas to help with this...
> >
> >                 #1 - finding free / cheap 3d models and textures on
> >                 the net and using them for things that we don't care
> >                 alot about (ie furniture perhaps or simple props and
> >                 things), that way we spend our "art time" on the
> >                 things we want custom which is the cool stuff like
> >                 bosses and specific items and characters perhaps?
> >
> >                 #2 - we could try to make some efforts to make art
> >                 re-useable.  This is hard for the void area since it's
> >                 very unique, but for the mine we worked on last, we
> >                 could have for instance made "generic cave walls" art
> >                 in a way that it was re-useable.  When we have a
> >                 library of re-useable art, building areas should go
> >                 quicker cause we already have art assets made.  We
> >                 have the ability in game to colorize art
> >                 programatically so we can recolor and reuse models as
> >                 well too.
> >
> >                 #3 - we could change our workflow.  Instead of trying
> >                 to push towards milestones and have every area 100%
> >                 done before we move on we could change it up.  We
> >                 could just build things up functionally with whatever
> >                 junky art we had (ie the temple as is would be fine
> >                 lol).  As long as things are working functionally we
> >                 can move on.  I think if we went a route like this it
> >                 would be good to keep a list somewhere of what needed
> >                 to be done artistically such as "the temple needs real
> >                 art and a decoration pass".  The benefit to going this
> >                 route would be that we could just keep building areas
> >                 and moving the game forward.  It may not look pretty
> >                 but it should be playable and it could be made pretty
> >                 over time.
> >
> >                 but hrm, just throwin some ideas out there what do you
> >                 guys think?  Maybe we just say "meh" to art quality
> >                 and get the game built with a whole bunch of temp /
> >                 programmer art and worry about making it pretty later
> >                 on / at our leisure?
> >
> >                 It would be nice to move onto the next area and start
> >                 getting some story together and real game play and
> >                 stuff (:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> .
>
>
>
References:
- [project1dev] Re: an idea, what do you guys think?
  - From: eric
- [project1dev] Re: an idea, what do you guys think?
  - From: katie cook
[project1dev] Re: an idea, what do you guys think?

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