At 5:23 PM -0500 1/21/06, Albert Manfredi wrote: > >I believe you are referring to the Nyquist limit here. That >does apply to images, of course. But Shannon's Law refers >to the limiting bit rate that can be transferred in a given >channel width, as a function of signal to noise ratio. The >analogous limit in image compression might be stated as >"given the pixel count, frequency content, color content, of >a given image, what is the smallest file size that can be >achieved, in theory (i.e. not restricted to any existing >algorithm), with no loss of image information? Sorry for the confusion. I was thinking about Shannon's sampling theorem, which does involve the Nyquist limit. This raises an interesting point. Shannon's Law does overlap with video compression theory, as various forms of lossless entropy coding are used to deal with the huge number of bits that are delivered when compressing video. As you correctly assert, there are well known limits on how much you can crunch any bitstream without introducing errors. Lossless video compression may be an important tool if the application demands a lossless coding system,. say for acquisition or post production special effects work. But this is largely irrelevant to emission coding; most digital acquisition systems use lossy coding today; HDV uses MPEG-2 long GOP coding. Modern video compression techniques rely upon the ability to selectively lose some information, based on the "theory" that the human visual system cannot process all of the information in motion imaging streams, and that small errors will be difficult to perceive. In this context, Shannon's Law has little relevance to the discussion, but his sampling theorem is highly relevant, as it provides the basis for determining how accurate the initial sampling is, and how much entropy there is in any given image sequence, that can be eliminated. Regards Craig ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.