i was just going to ignore this stupid response from Bert until I became a Marxist... At 7:06 PM -0400 6/5/05, Manfredi, Albert E wrote: > >The issue here is whether or not this fictious >"utility" of yours effectively bypasses the gatekeeper >problem. That is, whether it avoids having to keep >certain bandwidth aspirants out. It does not, because >its bandwidth is still limited compared with what its >competition has (i.e. compared with cable and DBS). Even the cable guys are trying to put more stuff into "their spectrum;" everything has opportunity costs. But cable is trying to do a bunch of things that would not be possible (or at least a viable economic use) in the broadcast spectrum. For example, the spectrum utility would not be expected to deliver two-way broadband services to consumers in a market, although they might use IP multicasts to deliver popular bits to the masses. And the broadcast spectrum would not be useful for IP telephony - although the most likely bidders for the spectrum that is being recovered will be the wireless telephone companies. So be careful what you ask for Bert, because in the long run, two-way wireless phones can generate more money than any entertainment application that uses the spectrum to deliver its bits. As is the case in ANY REAL market, some aspirants will find the cost of doing business too high. And some will find ways to develop new businesses that generate more revenue than the traditional entertainment applications that fill the broadcast spectrum today. > >The telephone system uses a simple strategy: first >come, first served. If its bandwidth is in short >supply, you simply get a busy signal. A broadcast RF >utility can also use that strategy, which would allow >those with 24 hr/day streams to have perennial access. >Not very different from what we have today. Apples and oranges. The phone network is built based on statistical usage patterns that work quite well 99.9% of the time. Only when there is a major emergency like 911 does the network run out of bandwidth. But this is meaningless in regards to the spectrum utility concept. With the spectrum utility there is a marketplace for a scarce resource. If demand exceeds supply of bits, then the price will go up. If a potential user wants to deliver content on a 24/7 basis they will need to pay the market rate at any given time of day. If there are other users who will pay more for the bits during certain time periods, they may decide that maintaining a 24/7 service is not economically viable. Frankly, I believe the days of 24/7 channels may be numbered, unless there is a business model that draws people throughout the day and night. Thus a news or weather channel may be 24/7. but an entertainment channel would not program 24/7. This is true today. The broadcast networks have huge chunks of time that they do not program, leaving it in the hands of affiliates to fill the gaps. Some program 24/7; some shut down the transmitters at night. As we move into a world where content is targeted at specific users, the need for 24/7 channels is likely to disappear. If you look at the most popular cable networks, most run their most popular programs in a checkerboard repeat patterns. With local caching they could deliver all of their content to "subscribers" using only a fraction of the 24/7 programming week. I can;t predict exactly how this will play out, but I can say that building relationships between content providers and their viewers (subscribers) is going to be very important. In short, there will be much better loyalty to favorite shows, than there will be to favorite networks. But then, this is already true today. > >Or they could solve the problem by allowing only the >highest bidders access to the spectrum. Again, not much >difference from what we have today. Really. The telcos will be surprised to hear this. they have been trying to get their hands on the 700 MHz spectrum for decades. I guess you mean the highest bidder for bits from a spectrum utility. If that is the case, you are very naive. Today the conglomerates pay virtually NOTHING for the spectrum they use. Their only cost is to share a little commercial inventory with affiliates. IN the major markets where they operate stations the average profit margin is in the range of 25-50%. You don;t get these kinds of profit margins unless external factors ( regulation) prevent real competition...as is the case today. >Or they could solve the problem by allowing only those >with popular content to have access. Which again would >favor the major conglomerates, as we have today. Anyone with popular content "may" have an advantage for two reasons: 1. IF it is popular they can attract a large audience which in turn will produce more ad revenues to pay for their bits. 2. Old habits die slowly. The popular content aggregators will continue to have an audience as things evolve. And they will continue to be in a good position to pay a premium for live content, the one area where TV broadcasting continues to draw consistently large audiences. I'm not trying to put the conglomerates out of business. I just want them to compete on a level playing field, and to pay for the spectrum they are using. >Or they could use your Marxist preferences of giving >access to unpopular content (to each according to his >needs, from each according to their abilities), based >on some altruistic criteria established by some >bureaucracy, which would only succeed at reducing >access to popular content for the sake of giving local >PTA meetings equal access. And viewership will >decline. This is really rude, and completely misses the mark. All systems today carry some unpopular content, if for no other reason than to meet public service obligations. Most cable franchises include local access channels and deals where city and county meetings are televised. Most TV broadcasters run some locally produced public service shows. According to Eddie Fritts, broadcasters provide billions of dollars of inventory for public service announcements annually; he cites this as the compensation that broadcasters are providing in return for use of the spectrum. I call this getting off cheap, as the vast majority of these announcements are run at times when the stations cannot make money selling ads. Bert is missing the forest for the trees. It is not bandwidth that is scarce. It is good content that is scarce. If you gave each market twenty 6 MHz channels, you would need more than one hundred 24/7 channels to fill that spectrum. But this misses the main point. If all you need is a few hours a week to deliver your bits, the chances are excellent that you will be able to find an affordable time slot to deliver your bits. By the way, I would expect that some portion of the bits in each market would be assigned to public service applications, including city and county commission and school board meetings. And I would expect that a wide range of data services would be delivered by public agencies to consumers using this spectrum. > >So your whole thesis falls apart. Coming from you, this increases my confidence that I am on the right track. > >> The "copy protection paranoia" is just another >> WALL that the oligopolies have erected to prevent >> competition. > >Except that it's pervasive. Not just for industries >that deal with media steams, such as TV >broadcasting, but also for industries dealing with >content that can be viewed any time, such as the >Hollywood studios. But there are ways of making >these non-real-time downloads quite secure, so in >time the content creators will be more flexible >and the broadcasters can use this new flexibility >to their advantage. Same industry, different applications. The real question is whether programs broadcast in the clear need ANY form of protection? Somehow these guys have been making fortunes for more than 7 decades of radio and TV broadcasting without copy protection. The only reason that "piracy" exists is that market forces to properly price the content do not exist. Is a song really worth a billion dollars? In the future it will not be far fetched to sell a billion copies of content for a buck a piece. New pricing models will emerge that do a better job of allocating financial rewards for content with broad popularity. And then there is the reality that the best way to sell millions of copies of anything is to make it popular by giving it away to promote it. > >> Non-real-time download is a huge threat to the >> existing business model of television. It can > > turn non-productive bandwidth into competition for >> the most productive bandwidth, ... >> It is CENTRAL to this discussion, not orthogonal. > >The discussion is orthogonal, because it's up to >content creators to get over the paranoia. And >content creators would be the ones who create the >bits, whether it's in your single "utility" model or >in the current multiple utility model. The same >solution solves the bandwidth problem for either >model. Hence, ORTHOGONAL to this discussion. Wrong again. You keep citing 24/7 streams/channels. They eat up plenty of bandwidth, but hardly anyone is watching much of the time. If you replace this with a subscriber/download model, you free up vast amounts of bandwidth. > >> I NEVER said that the rates would be regulated by >> anyone. They would be regulated by the marketplace. >> I did say that there is a role for regulation in >> preventing a few major players from dominating the >> new marketplace. > >That's doubletalk, internally inconsistent and >contradictive. Coming from the expert on this subject, I take this as a complement. ;-) >If the marketplace sets the prices, >by definition that means the highest bidder gets >access. That is the definition of unregulated. If >you weasel as you did above, then you're a >gatekeeper that does NOT simply respond to the >marketplace. You would need to keep certain >content creators out in order to give "Turkish >sitcoms" a chance at the airwaves. This is absurd. It is not a question of keeping anyone out. It is a question of keeping a few players from keeping everyone else out. If there is a cap in large markets that says you cannot program more than say 30% of the bits, then you still have plenty of access. You just need to prioritize how you use those bits. This should not be a problem, as no single oligopoly has control of 30% of the spectrum in any large market today. The caps that are in place today are based on a percentage of the national market. These caps would go away, as a conglomerate could buy access to every market in the country. They would only be capped on how much of the bandwidth they could control in any single market. > >> The utility concept changes the fundamentals of >> the infrastructure, which is how we can achieve >> higher levels of spectral reuse. > >Which multiple utilities can do just as well. Just >give them a chance, which means shut off analog. Your missing the main point Bert. The situation is NOPT going to change with high powered ATSC broadcasts. This the the main reason for poor spectral efficiency. You need to change the fundamental way in which the spectrum is used in order to achieve higher levels of spectral re-use. > >> I refuse to base arguments about the future on >> what has worked in the past. I prefer to knock >> down the barriers to real competition and see >> how the marketplace responds. > >Spoken from someone who has nothing to lose and >everything to gain from this strategy. Sell more >copy, and with vague enough arguments which can >be contradicted later, risk nada. What do any of us have to lose... Reruns of American idol? Give it a rest Bert. Regards Craig ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.