At 4:13 PM -0400 6/3/05, Manfredi, Albert E wrote: >The telephone system will handily reject new users >if its bandwidth is in short supply. If RF >bandwidth is in short supply today in OTA TV, it >will continue to be in short supply no matter who >manages it. What kind of an absurd response is this? The ability (or inability) to provide service at any location is completely irrelevant to this discussion. The only thing that is relevant is whether the telco imposes restrictions on what you can do with the bandwidth they provide when service IS established. When dealing with a telco, you buy connections and bandwidth. That's it! What you do with those connections and bandwidth is for the most part unregulated. About the only exception I can think of is the National Do Not Call Registry, which places limits on the ability of certain users to pester the hell out of other users. None of this has any relationship to a discussion about a digital broadcast spectrum utility. With one-way broadcasts the consumer determines what content they want to receive. Unfortunately , with the current system the consumer has little say in what is broadcast (other than the influence of TV and radio ratings). Obviously there are supply considerations at work with the spectrum, just as is the case for any "scarce resource." This is the classic basis for the way in which REAL markets allocate scarce resources - i.e. supply and demand. With TV and radio broadcasting supply and demand are virtually meaningless. Competition is carefully controlled, and supply is controlled by gatekeepers, not the consumer. This is true for television, radio, movies, music and professional sports. All of these industries operate as oligopolies, not real markets. > >With DTT, and analog off the air, the situation >improves. But unless you have an oversupply of >bandwidth, applicants will get bumped. This is true >whether you have one gatekeeper as you prefer, or >multiple gatekeepers as we have today. And it is true for REAL markets, where there are no gatekeepers. If supply is limited, then the price typically is bid up. What we are dealing with in this case however is very different that what exists today. In truth, supply is artificially limited today: by the oligopolies; by regulators; and by technology decisions. Every day we see potential competitors hitting the wall. the radio broadcasters have successfully fended off competition from low power FM using unfounded arguments about potential interference. The telcos are running into walls as they try to get into the video distribution business, including the reluctance of local governments to grant them franchises to compete with cable, and the inability to buy content for their systems at any rate, much less the "market rates" being paid by cable and DBS. And the TV broadcasters are tying up vast chunks of spectrum for a service that is only used by a small percentage of the population and a new service - which they refuse to promote- that is used by such a tiny portion of the population as to be statistically unmeasurable. NO BERT. We are not suffering from a shortage in bandwidth. We are suffering from a shortage of imagination and innovation, as entrenched players seek to protect the artificial scarcity they have created via techno-political gerrymandering. Keep in mind that this is happening as new technologies that turn our historic notions about scarcity into a new problem - what to do about abundance? >You acknowledged that "prime time" will continue >to exist whether you have a single utility or many >different ones. Good. But btw, peak usage affects >the Internet as it does any other net. There is >congestion at different times of day in different >locations of the network, which is only resolved by >over-provisioning. With a wired Internet, over >provisioning is possible, limited only by capital >expenditure. With RF, there are more limitations >than just $. True. That's why a market based approach will work. Content providers will pay a premium to reach an audience. This may be "prime time" for for program length entertainment television, "Drive Time" for radio services, and "business hours" for data services. At other times bandwidth will be in "over-supply," which will allow smaller content providers to have access at off peak rates - WITHOUT HAVING TO GO THOUGH A GATKEEPER WHO DOES NOT WANT THE COMPETITION THAT THEY REPRESENT. >The issue about TV stations broadcasting signals >for non-real-time download is orthogonal to this >discussion. Of *course* they can do this, whether >there's one central gatekeeper or many different >ones. Broadcasters will make use of this capability >if they can conquer the copy protection paranoia. >And this is true no matter who manages the spectrum. The "copy protection paranoia" is just another WALL that the oligopolies have erected to prevent competition. It is a non issue, as has been proven by Apple with music, and others. Non-real-time download is a huge threat to the existing business model of television. It can turn non-productive bandwidth into competition for the most productive bandwidth, just as the VCR, DVDs, video games and the Internet have eaten into the audience for prime time TV. It is CENTRAL to this discussion, not orthogonal. And it extends well beyond traditional TV programming. The ability to keep local caches updated in a wide range of devices for both fixed locations and things that move is going to be a HUGE business. Just look at the traction of Podcasts during the past year. Yesterday Rush was hawking the fact that his subscribers can now receive Podcasts. Perhaps an analogy is appropriate here. Printed media has been and will continue to be a major form of communications. Books and magazines are sold WITHOUT the notion that they are going to be consumed at a specific time; while newspapers are often consumed during specific time periods after publication, most notably by commuters. Why should linear entertainment content be any different, unless it is being presented LIVE? We buy books and magazines based on personal interests. We are now moving into an era of digital media content that is targeted to specific interests. The notion of sitting down at a pre-determined time to watch a TV program is becoming much less meaningful, especially for pre-produced content. And the notion that we must settle for whatever is on at a given time is giving way to the notion that we will have content we want to watch queued up in local cache for consumption when we want to watch it. Broadcasters fear this capability, because they are in another business - trying to aggregate the largest possible audience at any moment in time. They might as well be selling buggy whips. > >But you specifically said previously that the >rates would be REGULATED by some central >authority. Matter of fact, that was your >explanation for how starving artists would get >access. I NEVER said that the rates would be regulated by anyone. They would be regulated by the marketplace. I did say that there is a role for regulation in preventing a few major players from dominating the new marketplace. That in markets where there is strong demand we might place caps on the total percentage of bandwidth that any one entity could program at a given point in time. But this would be written into the legislation, and would not need any regulators to manage on a daily basis. The spectrum utility would manage this, placing these limits on users when demand exceeds supply. I suspect that as a transitional element of the plan that existing broadcasters would be guaranteed access (at market rates) to the system. But this is a no brainer, as these are the folks most likely to use the system. >Besides which, the multiple gatekeepers aren't >stupid. They too understand what it means to rent >out space, and they do this TODAY, as we already >discussed. There's no reason to assume that >broadcasters won't rent out spectrum in the >future. History suggest that you are wrong about this. They limit competition today and will continue to do so as long as they can. > >> With a well thought out spectrum policy driven >> by the marketplace we would not need the FCC. > >Oh come now. Let's not go in circles. The FCC is >the same as your spectrum management bureaucracy, >except they allow multiple gatekeepers. You're >just changing the name of the same function. Sorry Bert, but you are missing the point. There are many who feel the FCC is useless today doing what they do. With a real marketplace there would be no need for the FCC. There is no ongoing need for regulation. Of course, this will not stop the Congress critters from holding hearings to extort their pounds of flesh... > >> And I am not sure what makes you think that >> with DTT there will be more spectrum available. > >Because the tabboo restrictions are relaxed and >because you can fit more streams in each 6 MHz >band. The result is, more programs can be aired >in the TV OTA spectrum than can be done with >analog. DUH. So you would think that the broadcasters would be rushing out to fill up all those channels...RIGHT? But that is NOT happening, which provides compelling evidence to support my case. > >> The current system may look like there are many >> gatekeepers, but the reality is that they act >> as a TRUST, > >With more 6 MHz bands available, and the local >ownership caps retained, this will be less true. >And by the way, the popular content will also >take up your centrally-planned utility concept, >shutting out starving artists, assuming you're >being truthful about your claim of "market >driven." In fact, the same "trust" will evolve, >where popular bits crowd out newcomers. There is no evidence that there will be more 6 MHz bands available. The taboo channel situation does not improve, and the core spectrum is significantly reduced. You just refuse to listen. The utility concept changes the fundamentals of the infrastructure, which is how we can achieve higher levels of spectral reuse. As for the trust surviving in the face of real competition? There is no way to know until we try. It IS clear that the entrenched players start out with a major advantage. As is the case in any market, the stuff that is popular is likely to be the most rewarding economically. But the market really has fragmented, and the ability to aggregate a huge audience is not as easy as it once was. I refuse to base arguments about the future on what has worked in the past. I prefer to knock down the barriers to real competition and see how the marketplace responds. > >> But the reality is that the TV service is dying; >> it does not enjoy broad popular support. > >In Europe, all it took was the freeview concept >to reinvigorate it. You can do the same here, even >without the central planning. If it dies, it dies. >Marxism won't be what saves it. If OTA dies, it's >because of the "more is more" culture we live in, >which will keep people on cable even with your >centrally planned bureaucracy. At which point, >reassign the remaining TV spectrum to other uses. We cannot do the same here without changing the entire business model. I agree that a Freeview approach could work here. But the content oligopolies will resist this because it will undermine their ability to keep charging ever higher subscription fees for the content that they want us to see. They do not want real competition, and they do not care if OTA broadcasting survives in the long haul. What they want is to control supply and charge as much as they can for each use of their content. Regards Craig ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.