Re: [MoAccess] new motif
- From: clarence griffin <goldfingas@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 23:40:48 -0400
ah, ok. I see. cool. But Damon makes a good point, when I load a piano sample
from a thumb drive, that may be larger than the allotted 128 meg limit.
That may be a problem...
GF
On Aug 10, 2010, at 3:46 PM, Bryan Smart wrote:
> Nope. You just can't create a single drum kit that is larger than 128MB,
> without using a computer. I've seen your drum kits, and they aren't anywhere
> near 128MB. Neither are mine. Maybe all together, but you don't need to have
> them all in RAM at once. You only need the current kit in RAM, and only when
> you're editing the samples, not the entire voice. When you're finished, it
> goes back in to flash.
>
> Bryan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of clarence griffin
> Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 1:06 AM
> To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [MoAccess] new motif
>
> wow, that's crazy! I guess I would have to create drumkits 128 megs at a
> time. lol.
>
> GF
>
>
>
> On Aug 9, 2010, at 10:59 PM, Damon Fibraio wrote:
>
>
>
> Wouldn't the piano load directly itno the flash rom if you bought it?
> Of course, with only 128mb of ram, you would have to buy the flash rom option.
>
> --
> Damon Fibraio
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> dfibraio
> Find me on facebook as Damon fibraio or twitter as dfibraio
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>
> From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Omar Binno
> Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 6:32 PM
> To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [MoAccess] new motif
>
> couldn't you load it in from a flashdrive?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: clarence griffin <mailto:goldfingas@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 6:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [MoAccess] new motif
>
> but what if I have a lot to load in, like a piano that is 256
> megs or what ever. can I not load that piano?
>
> GF
>
>
> On Aug 9, 2010, at 5:37 PM, Damon Fibraio wrote:
>
>> If I understand bryan's post, the sampel ram is only for holding the samples
>> until you writ ethem to flash rom.
>>
>> --
>> Damon Fibraio
>> screen names -- aol: dfibraio...msn dfibraio@xxxxxxxxxxxx skype: dfibraio
>> Find me on facebook as Damon fibraio or twitter as dfibraio
>> personal music site: http://www.keyboardguy.com.
>> Band web site: Days Before Tomorrow,http://www.daysbeforetomorrow.com
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> On Behalf Of clarence griffin
>> Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 5:07 PM
>> To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: [MoAccess] new motif
>>
>> wowe, you can't upgrade the sample memory? that's a move in the wrong
>> direction, don't ya think? I have a gig in the xs now.
>>
>> GF
>>
>>
>> On Aug 9, 2010, at 1:28 PM, Bryan Smart wrote:
>>
>>> Yamaha quoted different prices for the US models, at least. They'll all
>> cost slightly more than the XS versions, but will include a bit more stock.
>> This is largely because that, even with the decreased cost of manufacturer
>> in the last three years between the XS and XF, inflation is driving up the
>> cost of materials and labor. That's one of the large reasons that the XF is
>> an upgraded XS, and not a revolution. A revolution would be too expensive
>> for most people.
>>>
>>> The flash boards will be about $600 each for the 1GB versions. You can
>> install 2 of them, giving you 2 GB total of permanent flash memory. The XF
>> will already include 128MB of sample memory, and it can't be upgraded.
>>>
>>> The new Motif will be organized a bit different internally, though, from
>> what I have learned, the software won't be radically reorganized from the
>> XS.
>>>
>>> The Motif is built on a 32-bit computer, and so it is practically
>> impossible for it to use more than a total of 4GB of memory for everything:
>> rom samples, RAM samples, flash samples, voices, performances, preset and
>> user arps, mixing templates, system settings, operating system, etc. The
>> Motif doesn't stream material from disk. Everything has to be directly
>> accessible in memory at all times. So, 4GB of everything is as far as we go
>> without an entirely new Motif.
>>>
>>> Producing an entirely new Motif would cost significant money, but Yamaha
>> has done a great job at stretching the existing system just about as far as
>> it could go.
>>>
>>> The 355MB of samples in the XS have been doubled to nearly 750MB. The
>> Motif is still the king in terms of the size of its built-in sample memory.
>> I'm told that there are new banks of presets, but don't know the details
>> yet. Based on the past, though, I'd expect that we'll now have 10 banks of
>> presets, plus the GM bank.
>>>
>>> The sample memory has been reduced from a maximum of 2GB, down to 128MB.
>> This sounds like a downgrade, but actually isn't. On every Motif up until
>> now, the sample memory was used for anything that had to do with creating
>> samples, storing samples for user voices, etc. On the XF, though, the sample
>> memory is only used for holding samples as you're creating them. So, if
>> you're editing a sample, or if you're sampling from one of the inputs,
>> you're recording to the 128MB of sample memory. So, you can't make a sample
>> larger than 128MB natively on the Motif, but, since that is enough for about
>> 6 minutes of stereo recording, most people will never run in to that
>> problem. Should you need to work with larger samples, the Motif XF can now
>> transfer samples from the computer. John, and others, already have completed
>> software for doing this.
>>>
>>> The reason for shrinking the sample memory is to free up part of the 4GB
>> of potential addressable memory for the new feature, the permanent flash
>> memory. The new flash memory is where samples are stored when they are
>> loaded, but you aren't editing them.
>>
>>>
>>> On earlier models of Motif, when you created samples, they were stored in
>> sample memory, and you had to save them when turning off the power, or
>> they'd be lost. When you turned the Motif back on, you had to load the
>> samples back in from a memory card or flash disk. Now, though, when you save
>> samples that you've created, they are stored in the flash memory, just like
>> your preset voices, performances, etc. That means, if you turn off the
>> power, and turn it back on, the samples are there immediately, without
>> having to wait for them to be loaded. If you're in the middle of working on
>> a big sampling project, and the power accidentally goes off, your samples
>> will be safe in flash memory. If you have a large set of samples, and make a
>> change to just a few of them, there is no need to wait for 5 minutes or more
>> while your entire collection of samples is saved from sample RAM out to your
>> USB drive.
>>>
>>> If you don't sample, but like to use Motif sample libraries, then the
>> flash memory is a great feature for you, too. When voices were loaded in to
>> older Motifs, any samples that they used were loaded in to the sample RAM.
>> If you had a large set of sample libraries that you liked to use for live
>> gigs, you had to wait 5 or more minutes after powering on the Motif before
>> your voices would be ready to play. On the XF, when you load any voices that
>> use samples, the samples are loaded in to the flash memory. Once they're
>> loaded, they are there for good, until you erase them. You can fill your
>> Motif with up to 2GB of sample libraries, power down, and those libraries
>> will be instantly ready as soon as you turn on your Motif. That's great
>> insurance against a power failure or someone tripping over a cord at a gig.
>> Previously, you had to improv, or get the other musicians to cover for a few
>> minutes, while you boot up and load everything back in. That isn't an issue
>> anymore.
>>>
>>> You can still save all of your voices, samples, etc to an all file, but
>> the main reason to do that now is to make a backup of what is in memory. You
>> aren't required to save an all file each time you shut down, anymore.
>>>
>>> Yamaha also added another bank for user voices. There is now room for 4
>> banks of user voices. This now makes the Motif a little like an expandable
>> rompler. If you just would like to add more sounds to your Motif, you can
>> load up to 2GB of them to be permanently added to the Motif's on-board
>> samples, and can use them in up to 512 user voices.
>>>
>>> So, when fully expanded, the Motif XF can start up, and have immediate
>> access to nearly 2,000 voices/patches, that can use up to nearly 2.8GB of
>> samples. That's pretty massive for a workstation keyboard.
>>>
>>> The XF will also have a tap tempo button. I harassed the fuck out of some
>> people for this. Glad that they listened.
>>>
>>> However, my request for an un-do button was ignored.
>>>
>>> Also, as far as I've been told, there is no change to the synth engine.
>> The synth engine is the same as in the XS. So, this means that the glide
>> issues are still there. From what I'm told, this will not be fixed until the
>> synth engine is redesigned. Changing it now would require that additional
>> voice parameters were added, and doing that now would break compatibility
>> with the XS.
>>>
>>> The already huge arp library on the XS has been increased by another 20%
>> or so for the XF. Also, thankfully, they've now included a category search
>> feature for arps. I mean, there are lots of really good arps in the XS, but
>> finding the one that you want in the sea of thousands has always been
>> extremely difficult. Maybe category search will make it easier to use them.
>>>
>>> Other things... While the synth engine is the same, the D/A converters
>> have been upgraded. The XS always sounded a tiny bit dull compared to the
>> ES. The new converters may fix this. There is also a new Firewire interface
>> card that is designed to fit the new case, but it doesn't have any new
>> capabilities: still 16 channels to the computer, and 6 back to the Motif.
>>>
>>> What has not changed? The keyboard actions are the same. The I/O options
>> are the same. The controllers (pitch/mod/ribbon) are the same. The control
>> panel is supposedly almost the same, but has a few additions.
>>>
>>> Yamaha has announced that some of the XF features will come to the XS in
>> another OS update. Of course, they can't add the new flash storage to the
>> XS, but things like the arp category search will probably make it.
>>>
>>> I couldn't not be interested in what is going on with a new Motif. I feel
>> like I've been so involved with Motif in one form or another for so long,
>> though GF is probably the man on the list that has owned one the longest. I
>> have no idea if I'll buy one. It sounds like a really great board. If you
>> perform live a lot, the Motif XF certainly has some absolutely great
>> advantages. However, I'm a studio cat, so its benefits aren't as important
>> to me. Plus, I'm getting deep with Logic on the Mac, and the Logic
>> instruments are every bit as good as, and in many cases much better, than
>> the Motif. Fully outfitting an XF6 will cost something like $3,300. If I
>> didn't get a Motif, that money could make many other things happen in my
>> musical world. I think that the price is fair for what it can do, but I just
>> don't know if I, personally, need it enough anymore to spend cash like that
>> on it.
>>>
>>> That's everything that I know about the XF, I think.
>>>
>>> Bryan
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> On Behalf Of Vince Mistretta
>>> Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 12:38 PM
>>> To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: Re: [MoAccess] new motif
>>>
>>> A dealer friend of my says October shipping of all models.
>>>
>>> Prices XF8 - List 4035.99 - Dealer sale price $3495.00
>>> XF7 - $3495.00 - seale $3035.00
>>> Xf6 will be same price as XS6.
>>>
>>> 1GB Expancion Flash is going to be around $300. It will have capability
>> of expanding to 3GB of Flash RAM.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/9/10, clarence griffin <goldfingas@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> oh boy, guess I need to save my pennies. lol. I have to get the new
>>>> one, I had all the others. lol.
>>>>
>>>> GF
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 9, 2010, at 12:15 PM, Damon Fibraio wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> They announced it last week. Should be seeing it in stores in October.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Damon Fibraio
>>>>> screen names -- aol: dfibraio...msn dfibraio@xxxxxxxxxxxx skype:
>>>>> dfibraio Find me on facebook as Damon fibraio or twitter as dfibraio
>>>>> personal music site: http://www.keyboardguy.com.
>>>>> Band web site: Days Before Tomorrow,
>>>>> http://www.daysbeforetomorrow.com
>>>>>
>>>>> From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> [mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>>> On Behalf Of clarence griffin
>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 12:10 PM
>>>>> To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: Re: [MoAccess] new motif
>>>>>
>>>>> its out, just not for sail yet, I don't think.
>>>>>
>>>>> GF
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 9, 2010, at 12:05 PM, <driza97@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I think I read somewhere that it's supposed to come out this October!
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Omar Binno
>>>>> To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 11:21 AM
>>>>> Subject: [MoAccess] new motif
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> Just curious: has there been any talk at all of a new motif being
>>>>> released next year? I figured it's been about 4 years since the xs,
>>>>> so maybe yamaha is planning something?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Omar Binno
>>>>>
>>>>> Website: www.bigoproductions.net
>>>>> AIM: LOD1116
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Vince Mistretta
>>> Call me at 561-234-7631
>>> Skype Name: vin5451 (Please email me first)
>>>
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