Re: [MoAccess] new motif
- From: clarence griffin <goldfingas@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 01:06:29 -0400
wow, that's crazy! I guess I would have to create drumkits 128 megs at a time.
lol.
GF
On Aug 9, 2010, at 10:59 PM, Damon Fibraio wrote:
> Wouldn’t the piano load directly itno the flash rom if you bought it? Of
> course, with only 128mb of ram, you would have to buy the flash rom option.
>
> --
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> From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Omar Binno
> Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 6:32 PM
> To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [MoAccess] new motif
>
> couldn't you load it in from a flashdrive?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: clarence griffin
> To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 6:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [MoAccess] new motif
>
> but what if I have a lot to load in, like a piano that is 256 megs or what
> ever. can I not load that piano?
>
> GF
>
>
> On Aug 9, 2010, at 5:37 PM, Damon Fibraio wrote:
>
> > If I understand bryan's post, the sampel ram is only for holding the samples
> > until you writ ethem to flash rom.
> >
> > --
> > Damon Fibraio
> > screen names -- aol: dfibraio...msn dfibraio@xxxxxxxxxxxx skype: dfibraio
> > Find me on facebook as Damon fibraio or twitter as dfibraio
> > personal music site: http://www.keyboardguy.com.
> > Band web site: Days Before Tomorrow,http://www.daysbeforetomorrow.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > On Behalf Of clarence griffin
> > Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 5:07 PM
> > To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: [MoAccess] new motif
> >
> > wowe, you can't upgrade the sample memory? that's a move in the wrong
> > direction, don't ya think? I have a gig in the xs now.
> >
> > GF
> >
> >
> > On Aug 9, 2010, at 1:28 PM, Bryan Smart wrote:
> >
> >> Yamaha quoted different prices for the US models, at least. They'll all
> > cost slightly more than the XS versions, but will include a bit more stock.
> > This is largely because that, even with the decreased cost of manufacturer
> > in the last three years between the XS and XF, inflation is driving up the
> > cost of materials and labor. That's one of the large reasons that the XF is
> > an upgraded XS, and not a revolution. A revolution would be too expensive
> > for most people.
> >>
> >> The flash boards will be about $600 each for the 1GB versions. You can
> > install 2 of them, giving you 2 GB total of permanent flash memory. The XF
> > will already include 128MB of sample memory, and it can't be upgraded.
> >>
> >> The new Motif will be organized a bit different internally, though, from
> > what I have learned, the software won't be radically reorganized from the
> > XS.
> >>
> >> The Motif is built on a 32-bit computer, and so it is practically
> > impossible for it to use more than a total of 4GB of memory for everything:
> > rom samples, RAM samples, flash samples, voices, performances, preset and
> > user arps, mixing templates, system settings, operating system, etc. The
> > Motif doesn't stream material from disk. Everything has to be directly
> > accessible in memory at all times. So, 4GB of everything is as far as we go
> > without an entirely new Motif.
> >>
> >> Producing an entirely new Motif would cost significant money, but Yamaha
> > has done a great job at stretching the existing system just about as far as
> > it could go.
> >>
> >> The 355MB of samples in the XS have been doubled to nearly 750MB. The
> > Motif is still the king in terms of the size of its built-in sample memory.
> > I'm told that there are new banks of presets, but don't know the details
> > yet. Based on the past, though, I'd expect that we'll now have 10 banks of
> > presets, plus the GM bank.
> >>
> >> The sample memory has been reduced from a maximum of 2GB, down to 128MB.
> > This sounds like a downgrade, but actually isn't. On every Motif up until
> > now, the sample memory was used for anything that had to do with creating
> > samples, storing samples for user voices, etc. On the XF, though, the sample
> > memory is only used for holding samples as you're creating them. So, if
> > you're editing a sample, or if you're sampling from one of the inputs,
> > you're recording to the 128MB of sample memory. So, you can't make a sample
> > larger than 128MB natively on the Motif, but, since that is enough for about
> > 6 minutes of stereo recording, most people will never run in to that
> > problem. Should you need to work with larger samples, the Motif XF can now
> > transfer samples from the computer. John, and others, already have completed
> > software for doing this.
> >>
> >> The reason for shrinking the sample memory is to free up part of the 4GB
> > of potential addressable memory for the new feature, the permanent flash
> > memory. The new flash memory is where samples are stored when they are
> > loaded, but you aren't editing them.
> >
> >>
> >> On earlier models of Motif, when you created samples, they were stored in
> > sample memory, and you had to save them when turning off the power, or
> > they'd be lost. When you turned the Motif back on, you had to load the
> > samples back in from a memory card or flash disk. Now, though, when you save
> > samples that you've created, they are stored in the flash memory, just like
> > your preset voices, performances, etc. That means, if you turn off the
> > power, and turn it back on, the samples are there immediately, without
> > having to wait for them to be loaded. If you're in the middle of working on
> > a big sampling project, and the power accidentally goes off, your samples
> > will be safe in flash memory. If you have a large set of samples, and make a
> > change to just a few of them, there is no need to wait for 5 minutes or more
> > while your entire collection of samples is saved from sample RAM out to your
> > USB drive.
> >>
> >> If you don't sample, but like to use Motif sample libraries, then the
> > flash memory is a great feature for you, too. When voices were loaded in to
> > older Motifs, any samples that they used were loaded in to the sample RAM.
> > If you had a large set of sample libraries that you liked to use for live
> > gigs, you had to wait 5 or more minutes after powering on the Motif before
> > your voices would be ready to play. On the XF, when you load any voices that
> > use samples, the samples are loaded in to the flash memory. Once they're
> > loaded, they are there for good, until you erase them. You can fill your
> > Motif with up to 2GB of sample libraries, power down, and those libraries
> > will be instantly ready as soon as you turn on your Motif. That's great
> > insurance against a power failure or someone tripping over a cord at a gig.
> > Previously, you had to improv, or get the other musicians to cover for a few
> > minutes, while you boot up and load everything back in. That isn't an issue
> > anymore.
> >>
> >> You can still save all of your voices, samples, etc to an all file, but
> > the main reason to do that now is to make a backup of what is in memory. You
> > aren't required to save an all file each time you shut down, anymore.
> >>
> >> Yamaha also added another bank for user voices. There is now room for 4
> > banks of user voices. This now makes the Motif a little like an expandable
> > rompler. If you just would like to add more sounds to your Motif, you can
> > load up to 2GB of them to be permanently added to the Motif's on-board
> > samples, and can use them in up to 512 user voices.
> >>
> >> So, when fully expanded, the Motif XF can start up, and have immediate
> > access to nearly 2,000 voices/patches, that can use up to nearly 2.8GB of
> > samples. That's pretty massive for a workstation keyboard.
> >>
> >> The XF will also have a tap tempo button. I harassed the fuck out of some
> > people for this. Glad that they listened.
> >>
> >> However, my request for an un-do button was ignored.
> >>
> >> Also, as far as I've been told, there is no change to the synth engine.
> > The synth engine is the same as in the XS. So, this means that the glide
> > issues are still there. From what I'm told, this will not be fixed until the
> > synth engine is redesigned. Changing it now would require that additional
> > voice parameters were added, and doing that now would break compatibility
> > with the XS.
> >>
> >> The already huge arp library on the XS has been increased by another 20%
> > or so for the XF. Also, thankfully, they've now included a category search
> > feature for arps. I mean, there are lots of really good arps in the XS, but
> > finding the one that you want in the sea of thousands has always been
> > extremely difficult. Maybe category search will make it easier to use them.
> >>
> >> Other things... While the synth engine is the same, the D/A converters
> > have been upgraded. The XS always sounded a tiny bit dull compared to the
> > ES. The new converters may fix this. There is also a new Firewire interface
> > card that is designed to fit the new case, but it doesn't have any new
> > capabilities: still 16 channels to the computer, and 6 back to the Motif.
> >>
> >> What has not changed? The keyboard actions are the same. The I/O options
> > are the same. The controllers (pitch/mod/ribbon) are the same. The control
> > panel is supposedly almost the same, but has a few additions.
> >>
> >> Yamaha has announced that some of the XF features will come to the XS in
> > another OS update. Of course, they can't add the new flash storage to the
> > XS, but things like the arp category search will probably make it.
> >>
> >> I couldn't not be interested in what is going on with a new Motif. I feel
> > like I've been so involved with Motif in one form or another for so long,
> > though GF is probably the man on the list that has owned one the longest. I
> > have no idea if I'll buy one. It sounds like a really great board. If you
> > perform live a lot, the Motif XF certainly has some absolutely great
> > advantages. However, I'm a studio cat, so its benefits aren't as important
> > to me. Plus, I'm getting deep with Logic on the Mac, and the Logic
> > instruments are every bit as good as, and in many cases much better, than
> > the Motif. Fully outfitting an XF6 will cost something like $3,300. If I
> > didn't get a Motif, that money could make many other things happen in my
> > musical world. I think that the price is fair for what it can do, but I just
> > don't know if I, personally, need it enough anymore to spend cash like that
> > on it.
> >>
> >> That's everything that I know about the XF, I think.
> >>
> >> Bryan
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > On Behalf Of Vince Mistretta
> >> Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 12:38 PM
> >> To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: Re: [MoAccess] new motif
> >>
> >> A dealer friend of my says October shipping of all models.
> >>
> >> Prices XF8 - List 4035.99 - Dealer sale price $3495.00
> >> XF7 - $3495.00 - seale $3035.00
> >> Xf6 will be same price as XS6.
> >>
> >> 1GB Expancion Flash is going to be around $300. It will have capability
> > of expanding to 3GB of Flash RAM.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 8/9/10, clarence griffin <goldfingas@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>> oh boy, guess I need to save my pennies. lol. I have to get the new
> >>> one, I had all the others. lol.
> >>>
> >>> GF
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Aug 9, 2010, at 12:15 PM, Damon Fibraio wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> They announced it last week. Should be seeing it in stores in October.
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Damon Fibraio
> >>>> screen names -- aol: dfibraio...msn dfibraio@xxxxxxxxxxxx skype:
> >>>> dfibraio Find me on facebook as Damon fibraio or twitter as dfibraio
> >>>> personal music site: http://www.keyboardguy.com.
> >>>> Band web site: Days Before Tomorrow,
> >>>> http://www.daysbeforetomorrow.com
> >>>>
> >>>> From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>> [mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> >>>> On Behalf Of clarence griffin
> >>>> Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 12:10 PM
> >>>> To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>> Subject: Re: [MoAccess] new motif
> >>>>
> >>>> its out, just not for sail yet, I don't think.
> >>>>
> >>>> GF
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Aug 9, 2010, at 12:05 PM, <driza97@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I think I read somewhere that it's supposed to come out this October!
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: Omar Binno
> >>>> To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>> Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 11:21 AM
> >>>> Subject: [MoAccess] new motif
> >>>>
> >>>> Hello,
> >>>>
> >>>> Just curious: has there been any talk at all of a new motif being
> >>>> released next year? I figured it's been about 4 years since the xs,
> >>>> so maybe yamaha is planning something?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Omar Binno
> >>>>
> >>>> Website: www.bigoproductions.net
> >>>> AIM: LOD1116
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Vince Mistretta
> >> Call me at 561-234-7631
> >> Skype Name: vin5451 (Please email me first)
> >>
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