Re: [MoAccess] new motif
- From: Bryan Smart <bryansmart@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 15:44:55 -0400
When you load voices that use samples, you're asked where you'd like to load
them. You can load to the 128MB of RAM for editing, or either of the flash
modules. So, for a huge bank of sounds, you'd load them to flash.
Bryan
-----Original Message-----
From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Damon Fibraio
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 11:00 PM
To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [MoAccess] new motif
Wouldn't the piano load directly itno the flash rom if you bought it? Of
course, with only 128mb of ram, you would have to buy the flash rom option.
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From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Omar Binno
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 6:32 PM
To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [MoAccess] new motif
couldn't you load it in from a flashdrive?
----- Original Message -----
From: clarence griffin <mailto:goldfingas@xxxxxxxxx>
To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 6:27 PM
Subject: Re: [MoAccess] new motif
but what if I have a lot to load in, like a piano that is 256 megs or
what ever. can I not load that piano?
GF
On Aug 9, 2010, at 5:37 PM, Damon Fibraio wrote:
> If I understand bryan's post, the sampel ram is only for holding the
samples
> until you writ ethem to flash rom.
>
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dfibraio
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>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of clarence griffin
> Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 5:07 PM
> To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [MoAccess] new motif
>
> wowe, you can't upgrade the sample memory? that's a move in the wrong
> direction, don't ya think? I have a gig in the xs now.
>
> GF
>
>
> On Aug 9, 2010, at 1:28 PM, Bryan Smart wrote:
>
>> Yamaha quoted different prices for the US models, at least. They'll
all
> cost slightly more than the XS versions, but will include a bit more
stock.
> This is largely because that, even with the decreased cost of
manufacturer
> in the last three years between the XS and XF, inflation is driving
up the
> cost of materials and labor. That's one of the large reasons that the
XF is
> an upgraded XS, and not a revolution. A revolution would be too
expensive
> for most people.
>>
>> The flash boards will be about $600 each for the 1GB versions. You
can
> install 2 of them, giving you 2 GB total of permanent flash memory.
The XF
> will already include 128MB of sample memory, and it can't be upgraded.
>>
>> The new Motif will be organized a bit different internally, though,
from
> what I have learned, the software won't be radically reorganized from
the
> XS.
>>
>> The Motif is built on a 32-bit computer, and so it is practically
> impossible for it to use more than a total of 4GB of memory for
everything:
> rom samples, RAM samples, flash samples, voices, performances, preset
and
> user arps, mixing templates, system settings, operating system, etc.
The
> Motif doesn't stream material from disk. Everything has to be directly
> accessible in memory at all times. So, 4GB of everything is as far as
we go
> without an entirely new Motif.
>>
>> Producing an entirely new Motif would cost significant money, but
Yamaha
> has done a great job at stretching the existing system just about as
far as
> it could go.
>>
>> The 355MB of samples in the XS have been doubled to nearly 750MB.
The
> Motif is still the king in terms of the size of its built-in sample
memory.
> I'm told that there are new banks of presets, but don't know the
details
> yet. Based on the past, though, I'd expect that we'll now have 10
banks of
> presets, plus the GM bank.
>>
>> The sample memory has been reduced from a maximum of 2GB, down to
128MB.
> This sounds like a downgrade, but actually isn't. On every Motif up
until
> now, the sample memory was used for anything that had to do with
creating
> samples, storing samples for user voices, etc. On the XF, though, the
sample
> memory is only used for holding samples as you're creating them. So,
if
> you're editing a sample, or if you're sampling from one of the inputs,
> you're recording to the 128MB of sample memory. So, you can't make a
sample
> larger than 128MB natively on the Motif, but, since that is enough
for about
> 6 minutes of stereo recording, most people will never run in to that
> problem. Should you need to work with larger samples, the Motif XF
can now
> transfer samples from the computer. John, and others, already have
completed
> software for doing this.
>>
>> The reason for shrinking the sample memory is to free up part of the
4GB
> of potential addressable memory for the new feature, the permanent
flash
> memory. The new flash memory is where samples are stored when they are
> loaded, but you aren't editing them.
>
>>
>> On earlier models of Motif, when you created samples, they were
stored in
> sample memory, and you had to save them when turning off the power, or
> they'd be lost. When you turned the Motif back on, you had to load the
> samples back in from a memory card or flash disk. Now, though, when
you save
> samples that you've created, they are stored in the flash memory,
just like
> your preset voices, performances, etc. That means, if you turn off the
> power, and turn it back on, the samples are there immediately, without
> having to wait for them to be loaded. If you're in the middle of
working on
> a big sampling project, and the power accidentally goes off, your
samples
> will be safe in flash memory. If you have a large set of samples, and
make a
> change to just a few of them, there is no need to wait for 5 minutes
or more
> while your entire collection of samples is saved from sample RAM out
to your
> USB drive.
>>
>> If you don't sample, but like to use Motif sample libraries, then the
> flash memory is a great feature for you, too. When voices were loaded
in to
> older Motifs, any samples that they used were loaded in to the sample
RAM.
> If you had a large set of sample libraries that you liked to use for
live
> gigs, you had to wait 5 or more minutes after powering on the Motif
before
> your voices would be ready to play. On the XF, when you load any
voices that
> use samples, the samples are loaded in to the flash memory. Once
they're
> loaded, they are there for good, until you erase them. You can fill
your
> Motif with up to 2GB of sample libraries, power down, and those
libraries
> will be instantly ready as soon as you turn on your Motif. That's
great
> insurance against a power failure or someone tripping over a cord at
a gig.
> Previously, you had to improv, or get the other musicians to cover
for a few
> minutes, while you boot up and load everything back in. That isn't an
issue
> anymore.
>>
>> You can still save all of your voices, samples, etc to an all file,
but
> the main reason to do that now is to make a backup of what is in
memory. You
> aren't required to save an all file each time you shut down, anymore.
>>
>> Yamaha also added another bank for user voices. There is now room
for 4
> banks of user voices. This now makes the Motif a little like an
expandable
> rompler. If you just would like to add more sounds to your Motif, you
can
> load up to 2GB of them to be permanently added to the Motif's on-board
> samples, and can use them in up to 512 user voices.
>>
>> So, when fully expanded, the Motif XF can start up, and have
immediate
> access to nearly 2,000 voices/patches, that can use up to nearly
2.8GB of
> samples. That's pretty massive for a workstation keyboard.
>>
>> The XF will also have a tap tempo button. I harassed the fuck out of
some
> people for this. Glad that they listened.
>>
>> However, my request for an un-do button was ignored.
>>
>> Also, as far as I've been told, there is no change to the synth
engine.
> The synth engine is the same as in the XS. So, this means that the
glide
> issues are still there. From what I'm told, this will not be fixed
until the
> synth engine is redesigned. Changing it now would require that
additional
> voice parameters were added, and doing that now would break
compatibility
> with the XS.
>>
>> The already huge arp library on the XS has been increased by another
20%
> or so for the XF. Also, thankfully, they've now included a category
search
> feature for arps. I mean, there are lots of really good arps in the
XS, but
> finding the one that you want in the sea of thousands has always been
> extremely difficult. Maybe category search will make it easier to use
them.
>>
>> Other things... While the synth engine is the same, the D/A
converters
> have been upgraded. The XS always sounded a tiny bit dull compared to
the
> ES. The new converters may fix this. There is also a new Firewire
interface
> card that is designed to fit the new case, but it doesn't have any new
> capabilities: still 16 channels to the computer, and 6 back to the
Motif.
>>
>> What has not changed? The keyboard actions are the same. The I/O
options
> are the same. The controllers (pitch/mod/ribbon) are the same. The
control
> panel is supposedly almost the same, but has a few additions.
>>
>> Yamaha has announced that some of the XF features will come to the
XS in
> another OS update. Of course, they can't add the new flash storage to
the
> XS, but things like the arp category search will probably make it.
>>
>> I couldn't not be interested in what is going on with a new Motif. I
feel
> like I've been so involved with Motif in one form or another for so
long,
> though GF is probably the man on the list that has owned one the
longest. I
> have no idea if I'll buy one. It sounds like a really great board. If
you
> perform live a lot, the Motif XF certainly has some absolutely great
> advantages. However, I'm a studio cat, so its benefits aren't as
important
> to me. Plus, I'm getting deep with Logic on the Mac, and the Logic
> instruments are every bit as good as, and in many cases much better,
than
> the Motif. Fully outfitting an XF6 will cost something like $3,300.
If I
> didn't get a Motif, that money could make many other things happen in
my
> musical world. I think that the price is fair for what it can do, but
I just
> don't know if I, personally, need it enough anymore to spend cash
like that
> on it.
>>
>> That's everything that I know about the XF, I think.
>>
>> Bryan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Vince Mistretta
>> Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 12:38 PM
>> To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: [MoAccess] new motif
>>
>> A dealer friend of my says October shipping of all models.
>>
>> Prices XF8 - List 4035.99 - Dealer sale price $3495.00
>> XF7 - $3495.00 - seale $3035.00
>> Xf6 will be same price as XS6.
>>
>> 1GB Expancion Flash is going to be around $300. It will have
capability
> of expanding to 3GB of Flash RAM.
>>
>>
>> On 8/9/10, clarence griffin <goldfingas@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> oh boy, guess I need to save my pennies. lol. I have to get the new
>>> one, I had all the others. lol.
>>>
>>> GF
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 9, 2010, at 12:15 PM, Damon Fibraio wrote:
>>>
>>>> They announced it last week. Should be seeing it in stores in
October.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Damon Fibraio
>>>> screen names -- aol: dfibraio...msn dfibraio@xxxxxxxxxxxx skype:
>>>> dfibraio Find me on facebook as Damon fibraio or twitter as
dfibraio
>>>> personal music site: http://www.keyboardguy.com.
>>>> Band web site: Days Before Tomorrow,
>>>> http://www.daysbeforetomorrow.com
>>>>
>>>> From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>> On Behalf Of clarence griffin
>>>> Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 12:10 PM
>>>> To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: Re: [MoAccess] new motif
>>>>
>>>> its out, just not for sail yet, I don't think.
>>>>
>>>> GF
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 9, 2010, at 12:05 PM, <driza97@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think I read somewhere that it's supposed to come out this
October!
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Omar Binno
>>>> To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 11:21 AM
>>>> Subject: [MoAccess] new motif
>>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> Just curious: has there been any talk at all of a new motif being
>>>> released next year? I figured it's been about 4 years since the xs,
>>>> so maybe yamaha is planning something?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Omar Binno
>>>>
>>>> Website: www.bigoproductions.net
>>>> AIM: LOD1116
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> Skype Name: vin5451 (Please email me first)
>>
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