Re: [MoAccess] new motif
- From: "Damon Fibraio" <dfibraio@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 15:49:05 -0400
OK, bryan, but here's a thought. What about a piano sample? Digital sound
factory put out the Steinway model L. Now, I don't know if that whole thing
would fit into 128mb of ram. Is it theoretically possible to have one
multivoice instrument be over 128mb of ram, which would make editing a
problem?
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-----Original Message-----
From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Bryan Smart
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 3:47 PM
To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [MoAccess] new motif
Nope. You just can't create a single drum kit that is larger than 128MB,
without using a computer. I've seen your drum kits, and they aren't anywhere
near 128MB. Neither are mine. Maybe all together, but you don't need to have
them all in RAM at once. You only need the current kit in RAM, and only when
you're editing the samples, not the entire voice. When you're finished, it
goes back in to flash.
Bryan
-----Original Message-----
From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of clarence griffin
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 1:06 AM
To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [MoAccess] new motif
wow, that's crazy! I guess I would have to create drumkits 128 megs at a
time. lol.
GF
On Aug 9, 2010, at 10:59 PM, Damon Fibraio wrote:
Wouldn't the piano load directly itno the flash rom if you bought
it? Of course, with only 128mb of ram, you would have to buy the flash rom
option.
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From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Omar Binno
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 6:32 PM
To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [MoAccess] new motif
couldn't you load it in from a flashdrive?
----- Original Message -----
From: clarence griffin <mailto:goldfingas@xxxxxxxxx>
To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 6:27 PM
Subject: Re: [MoAccess] new motif
but what if I have a lot to load in, like a piano that is
256 megs or what ever. can I not load that piano?
GF
On Aug 9, 2010, at 5:37 PM, Damon Fibraio wrote:
> If I understand bryan's post, the sampel ram is only for
holding the samples
> until you writ ethem to flash rom.
>
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> Damon Fibraio
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skype: dfibraio
> Find me on facebook as Damon fibraio or twitter as
dfibraio
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Tomorrow,http://www.daysbeforetomorrow.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of clarence griffin
> Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 5:07 PM
> To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [MoAccess] new motif
>
> wowe, you can't upgrade the sample memory? that's a move
in the wrong
> direction, don't ya think? I have a gig in the xs now.
>
> GF
>
>
> On Aug 9, 2010, at 1:28 PM, Bryan Smart wrote:
>
>> Yamaha quoted different prices for the US models, at
least. They'll all
> cost slightly more than the XS versions, but will include
a bit more stock.
> This is largely because that, even with the decreased cost
of manufacturer
> in the last three years between the XS and XF, inflation
is driving up the
> cost of materials and labor. That's one of the large
reasons that the XF is
> an upgraded XS, and not a revolution. A revolution would
be too expensive
> for most people.
>>
>> The flash boards will be about $600 each for the 1GB
versions. You can
> install 2 of them, giving you 2 GB total of permanent
flash memory. The XF
> will already include 128MB of sample memory, and it can't
be upgraded.
>>
>> The new Motif will be organized a bit different
internally, though, from
> what I have learned, the software won't be radically
reorganized from the
> XS.
>>
>> The Motif is built on a 32-bit computer, and so it is
practically
> impossible for it to use more than a total of 4GB of
memory for everything:
> rom samples, RAM samples, flash samples, voices,
performances, preset and
> user arps, mixing templates, system settings, operating
system, etc. The
> Motif doesn't stream material from disk. Everything has to
be directly
> accessible in memory at all times. So, 4GB of everything
is as far as we go
> without an entirely new Motif.
>>
>> Producing an entirely new Motif would cost significant
money, but Yamaha
> has done a great job at stretching the existing system
just about as far as
> it could go.
>>
>> The 355MB of samples in the XS have been doubled to
nearly 750MB. The
> Motif is still the king in terms of the size of its
built-in sample memory.
> I'm told that there are new banks of presets, but don't
know the details
> yet. Based on the past, though, I'd expect that we'll now
have 10 banks of
> presets, plus the GM bank.
>>
>> The sample memory has been reduced from a maximum of 2GB,
down to 128MB.
> This sounds like a downgrade, but actually isn't. On every
Motif up until
> now, the sample memory was used for anything that had to
do with creating
> samples, storing samples for user voices, etc. On the XF,
though, the sample
> memory is only used for holding samples as you're creating
them. So, if
> you're editing a sample, or if you're sampling from one of
the inputs,
> you're recording to the 128MB of sample memory. So, you
can't make a sample
> larger than 128MB natively on the Motif, but, since that
is enough for about
> 6 minutes of stereo recording, most people will never run
in to that
> problem. Should you need to work with larger samples, the
Motif XF can now
> transfer samples from the computer. John, and others,
already have completed
> software for doing this.
>>
>> The reason for shrinking the sample memory is to free up
part of the 4GB
> of potential addressable memory for the new feature, the
permanent flash
> memory. The new flash memory is where samples are stored
when they are
> loaded, but you aren't editing them.
>
>>
>> On earlier models of Motif, when you created samples,
they were stored in
> sample memory, and you had to save them when turning off
the power, or
> they'd be lost. When you turned the Motif back on, you had
to load the
> samples back in from a memory card or flash disk. Now,
though, when you save
> samples that you've created, they are stored in the flash
memory, just like
> your preset voices, performances, etc. That means, if you
turn off the
> power, and turn it back on, the samples are there
immediately, without
> having to wait for them to be loaded. If you're in the
middle of working on
> a big sampling project, and the power accidentally goes
off, your samples
> will be safe in flash memory. If you have a large set of
samples, and make a
> change to just a few of them, there is no need to wait for
5 minutes or more
> while your entire collection of samples is saved from
sample RAM out to your
> USB drive.
>>
>> If you don't sample, but like to use Motif sample
libraries, then the
> flash memory is a great feature for you, too. When voices
were loaded in to
> older Motifs, any samples that they used were loaded in to
the sample RAM.
> If you had a large set of sample libraries that you liked
to use for live
> gigs, you had to wait 5 or more minutes after powering on
the Motif before
> your voices would be ready to play. On the XF, when you
load any voices that
> use samples, the samples are loaded in to the flash
memory. Once they're
> loaded, they are there for good, until you erase them. You
can fill your
> Motif with up to 2GB of sample libraries, power down, and
those libraries
> will be instantly ready as soon as you turn on your Motif.
That's great
> insurance against a power failure or someone tripping over
a cord at a gig.
> Previously, you had to improv, or get the other musicians
to cover for a few
> minutes, while you boot up and load everything back in.
That isn't an issue
> anymore.
>>
>> You can still save all of your voices, samples, etc to an
all file, but
> the main reason to do that now is to make a backup of what
is in memory. You
> aren't required to save an all file each time you shut
down, anymore.
>>
>> Yamaha also added another bank for user voices. There is
now room for 4
> banks of user voices. This now makes the Motif a little
like an expandable
> rompler. If you just would like to add more sounds to your
Motif, you can
> load up to 2GB of them to be permanently added to the
Motif's on-board
> samples, and can use them in up to 512 user voices.
>>
>> So, when fully expanded, the Motif XF can start up, and
have immediate
> access to nearly 2,000 voices/patches, that can use up to
nearly 2.8GB of
> samples. That's pretty massive for a workstation keyboard.
>>
>> The XF will also have a tap tempo button. I harassed the
fuck out of some
> people for this. Glad that they listened.
>>
>> However, my request for an un-do button was ignored.
>>
>> Also, as far as I've been told, there is no change to the
synth engine.
> The synth engine is the same as in the XS. So, this means
that the glide
> issues are still there. From what I'm told, this will not
be fixed until the
> synth engine is redesigned. Changing it now would require
that additional
> voice parameters were added, and doing that now would
break compatibility
> with the XS.
>>
>> The already huge arp library on the XS has been increased
by another 20%
> or so for the XF. Also, thankfully, they've now included a
category search
> feature for arps. I mean, there are lots of really good
arps in the XS, but
> finding the one that you want in the sea of thousands has
always been
> extremely difficult. Maybe category search will make it
easier to use them.
>>
>> Other things... While the synth engine is the same, the
D/A converters
> have been upgraded. The XS always sounded a tiny bit dull
compared to the
> ES. The new converters may fix this. There is also a new
Firewire interface
> card that is designed to fit the new case, but it doesn't
have any new
> capabilities: still 16 channels to the computer, and 6
back to the Motif.
>>
>> What has not changed? The keyboard actions are the same.
The I/O options
> are the same. The controllers (pitch/mod/ribbon) are the
same. The control
> panel is supposedly almost the same, but has a few
additions.
>>
>> Yamaha has announced that some of the XF features will
come to the XS in
> another OS update. Of course, they can't add the new flash
storage to the
> XS, but things like the arp category search will probably
make it.
>>
>> I couldn't not be interested in what is going on with a
new Motif. I feel
> like I've been so involved with Motif in one form or
another for so long,
> though GF is probably the man on the list that has owned
one the longest. I
> have no idea if I'll buy one. It sounds like a really
great board. If you
> perform live a lot, the Motif XF certainly has some
absolutely great
> advantages. However, I'm a studio cat, so its benefits
aren't as important
> to me. Plus, I'm getting deep with Logic on the Mac, and
the Logic
> instruments are every bit as good as, and in many cases
much better, than
> the Motif. Fully outfitting an XF6 will cost something
like $3,300. If I
> didn't get a Motif, that money could make many other
things happen in my
> musical world. I think that the price is fair for what it
can do, but I just
> don't know if I, personally, need it enough anymore to
spend cash like that
> on it.
>>
>> That's everything that I know about the XF, I think.
>>
>> Bryan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Vince Mistretta
>> Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 12:38 PM
>> To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: [MoAccess] new motif
>>
>> A dealer friend of my says October shipping of all
models.
>>
>> Prices XF8 - List 4035.99 - Dealer sale price $3495.00
>> XF7 - $3495.00 - seale $3035.00
>> Xf6 will be same price as XS6.
>>
>> 1GB Expancion Flash is going to be around $300. It will
have capability
> of expanding to 3GB of Flash RAM.
>>
>>
>> On 8/9/10, clarence griffin <goldfingas@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> oh boy, guess I need to save my pennies. lol. I have to
get the new
>>> one, I had all the others. lol.
>>>
>>> GF
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 9, 2010, at 12:15 PM, Damon Fibraio wrote:
>>>
>>>> They announced it last week. Should be seeing it in
stores in October.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Damon Fibraio
>>>> screen names -- aol: dfibraio...msn
dfibraio@xxxxxxxxxxxx skype:
>>>> dfibraio Find me on facebook as Damon fibraio or
twitter as dfibraio
>>>> personal music site: http://www.keyboardguy.com.
>>>> Band web site: Days Before Tomorrow,
>>>> http://www.daysbeforetomorrow.com
>>>>
>>>> From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>> On Behalf Of clarence griffin
>>>> Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 12:10 PM
>>>> To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: Re: [MoAccess] new motif
>>>>
>>>> its out, just not for sail yet, I don't think.
>>>>
>>>> GF
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 9, 2010, at 12:05 PM, <driza97@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think I read somewhere that it's supposed to come
out this October!
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Omar Binno
>>>> To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 11:21 AM
>>>> Subject: [MoAccess] new motif
>>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> Just curious: has there been any talk at all of a new
motif being
>>>> released next year? I figured it's been about 4 years
since the xs,
>>>> so maybe yamaha is planning something?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Omar Binno
>>>>
>>>> Website: www.bigoproductions.net
>>>> AIM: LOD1116
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> Call me at 561-234-7631
>> Skype Name: vin5451 (Please email me first)
>>
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