The distinction between certainty and knowledge is indeed an interesting one. Wittgenstein spent a considerable amount of time in Cambridge and at Malcolm's house in [insert the correct American city] trying to show that Moore's hand-waving proved nothing. Hence, Moore's "proof of an external world" was unsuccessful. What has emerged as *On Certainty* claims that certainty is not an epistemic concept. To be "certain" is not to have knowledge of any kind - be it propositional or procedural. Rather, "certainty" is a ground of action. Walter O. MUN Quoting "Ursula@xxxxxxxxxx" <ursula@xxxxxxxxxx>: > This whole conversation plays really strangely if you watched Nineteen- > eighty-four last night. > > ----Original Message---- > From: andreas@xxxxxxxxxxx > Date: Nov 20, 2007 11:52 > To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Subj: [lit-ideas] Re: Can You Imagine 2 + 2 = 5? > > >> Can you _know_ that 2 + 2 = 5? > > Certainly. I've seen people "clearly know" (not just imagine) an > incorrect > number. > > yrs, > andreas > www.andreas.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, > digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, > digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html > ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html