[lit-ideas] Knowing You're Wrong (Is: Popper)
- From: Jlsperanza@xxxxxxx
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 17:49:55 EST
"Could you fill this out a bit? There's some relation (don't ask me to say
exactly what it is) between knowledge and certainty; but it doesn't follow
from someone's being absolutely certain that x, that x."
Hear, Hear. (for Xmas comes but once a year!)
---
I take R. Paul's point as correct. Since the Thaetetus of Plato, there is
some agreement that
Donal knows 2 + 2 = 5
=df
(i) Donal believes/imagines 2 + 2 = 5
(ii) Donal has a way of proving that 2 + 2 = 5
[causal link, conclusive evidence]
(iii) 2 + 2 = 5
I agree with Popper, Donal, and Andreas, that (iii) belongs in the
ONTOLOGICAL level -- and it's the realm of Truth, so-called (but this is in
itself
controversial, for surely we want 'truth' to be a _relation_, not just an
ontological _datum_.
In (i) I am taking 'imagine' and 'think' as interdefinable. I realise P.
Stone's point about the etymological connection with _imago_, and I'll work on
it. But then, if you think of 'see', you cannot either say, "I saw a rainbow"
if there was no rainbow to be _seen_ -- and either you *disimplicate* [good
technical use here] the 'implication' (not implicature) standardly associated
with 'see' -- and start, to use Grice's phrase, to 'speak loosely'.
Them the link (ii) is between the ultimately ONTOLOGICAL Iiii) and (i) the
primarily DOXASTIC (I would not use 'epistemological', as it begs the question
that this _is_ episteme, which the Greeks reserved for 'knowledge', rather
than 'doxa', or mere belief/opinion/imaginings.
I'll re-read Donal's interesting post about Popper to see if I get a clearer
picture of his thing (Donal says other -- than Donal -- thought like that,
too).
I agree with P. Stone that A. Palma is _over-imagining_ things.
And, I wonder what version of "1984" was broadcast yesterday, and why it
reverberates. I suppose it's the idea of a Government guiding us to believe
_false_ things?
Cheers,
JL
Buenos Aires, Argentina
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