Irene, I haven't watched the news today and so couldn't very well be reacting to it, but if I were I wouldn't react as absurdly as you suggest. But beyond that when did I ever say there was a connection between Saddam and OBL? Let me put it another way, I never said there was a connection between Saddam and OBL. I know Saddam supported some terrorist training. I heard of some Al Quaeda members who contacted their counterparts in Iraq, but OBL himself, no. So, you're making that up -- getting your imagination confused with reality once again -- much the same way that Andreas makes things up by the way. Well, of course Europe has learned that war doesn't pay. They have initiated the bloodiest wars the planet has ever seen, two of them. They must have learned something from that. And we bailed them out both times, not all of them, just the ones that were losing. And it's a good thing that the U.S. has yet to learn that war doesn't pay. Look at all the troops we lost bailing the European losers out in two of their World Wars. Look at all the troops we lost in bailing out China by warring against the Japanese. On the other hand, we could have saved all those American troops and let all those weak-kneed losers stew in their own juice if we had learned your lesson, "that war doesn't pay." I think you must be a brilliant strategist Irene to suggest we shouldn't have been engaging in war. I can't imagine why I didn't think of that before. Lawrence _____ From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andy Amago Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 7:36 PM To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Barnett's Blueprint for Action You posted to the list a message intended only for Eric. Thanks for explaining that. Apologies to Joerge, since he wrote to Andreas and not me. I think you're just a sore loser, Lawrence, especially now that the Senate has said that there was no connection between Saddam and OBL and you've been saying there is, and Bush himself said there was no connection. If you want to talk about the Twilight Zone, talk about your position and how it squares with the reality that I've been saying existed all along and that you've been denying all along. Are you smoke screening that little oversight maybe? For Andreas, even though my heart's not in it, because we came out of Europe doesn't make Europe historically anything other than dysfunctional. Maybe less so now and maybe less warlike than the U.S. now but only because they learned the hard way that war doesn't pay. The U.S. has yet to learn that lesson. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lawrence <mailto:lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Helm To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: 9/9/2006 9:44:40 PM Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Barnett's Blueprint for Action http://sonicimages.com/webdata/soundtracks/outerlimits/snd/outerlimits-16.MP 2 Irene/Andy, What Im impressed with is that I sent a note to Eric, because of our previous discussions about Iran, and you responded, Irene/Andy, as though I sent the note to you. I know that Eric speculated that Jack Spratt might be one of your pseudonyms or alternate personalities, but, but, but, could that have been a smoke screen? Could all this time Andy, er, Irene have been one, that is two of Erics alternate personalities? Perhaps this whole pseudonym business is more monstrous and diabolical than we realized . . . http://sonicimages.com/webdata/soundtracks/outerlimits/snd/outerlimits-16.MP 2 Lawrence _____ From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andy Amago Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 5:54 PM To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Barnett's Blueprint for Action I'm responding based on what I know. I thought you'd be impressed. I'm technologically challenged. I'll see if I can watch him tomorrow. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lawrence <mailto:lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Helm To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: 9/9/2006 8:48:31 PM Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Barnett's Blueprint for Action Which means, you are once again responding to one of my notes without reading it, or in this case watching it. The link comes up when I click on it, but you can go to the Thomas Barnett site (http://www.thomaspmbarnett.com/ ) scroll down and find it that way. Lawrence