[liblouis-liblouisxml] Re: Proposal for capital and emphasis in UEB
- From: "John J. Boyer" <john.boyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: liblouis-liblouisxml@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 20:28:30 -0600
One thing I've been wondering about is that UEB has no computer Braille.
How are programs supposed to be dshown? What about 8-dot Braille?
That is very convenient for viewing programs on a Braille display. I
also thought that UEB would get rid of some things that made
back-translation dificult.
John
On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 12:37:43AM +0000, Keith Creasy wrote:
> Thank you Joseph. I just want to say that I agree that close dialog between
> braille authorities and software developers would be very beneficial to the
> future of braille and UEB in particular. That has been on my mind a lot
> lately.
>
> Keith
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: liblouis-liblouisxml-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:liblouis-liblouisxml-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 3:28 PM
> To: liblouis-liblouisxml@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [liblouis-liblouisxml] Re: Proposal for capital and emphasis in UEB
>
> Hi Christo,
> As one of the LibLouis table maintainers for Unified English Braille, I do
> know how rewarding it is to introduce UEB to LibLouis users and developers
> around the world. However, throughout the course of UEB table development, I
> and others here felt that there are certain things in UEB itself that may
> need to be modified for programs such as LibLouis to take advantage of it.
> Some of my own concerns include smoother transition between literary and
> math, certain rules that causes back translation problems and so on. In
> short, some of us here felt that UEB's emphasis in heuristic transcription
> practices (that is, human transcribers deciding what to do with forward and
> back translation issues based on formal rules) may have caused issues when
> computer programs are tasked to "transcribe" (forward and back translate)
> text into UEB. Thus I and others (especially those of us with programming
> background) would like to suggest having a regular dialogue between us and
> ICEB/UEB committee in hopes of making UEB friendly towards both humans and
> computers.
> Thanks, and I hope best of luck to you and ICEB.
> Cheers,
> Joseph
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: liblouis-liblouisxml-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:liblouis-liblouisxml-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Christo de
> Klerk
> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 9:15 AM
> To: liblouis-liblouisxml@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [liblouis-liblouisxml] Re: Proposal for capital and emphasis in UEB
>
> Hello all
>
> On behalf of the International Council on English Braille (ICEB) I wish to
> say that we are extremely pleased about this development. It is essential
> that LibLouis must make provision for these aspects of the UEB.
>
> We wish the developer every success with this endeavour.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Christo de Klerk - President: International Council on English Braille
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: liblouis-liblouisxml-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:liblouis-liblouisxml-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John J.
> Boyer
> Sent: 27 January 2015 6:49 PM
> To: liblouis-liblouisxml@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [liblouis-liblouisxml] Re: Proposal for capital and emphasis in UEB
>
> Hi Keith,
>
> This sounds good. I will give whatever help I can.
>
> John
>
> On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 03:41:16PM +0000, Keith Creasy wrote:
> > Dear all.
> >
> > We at APH are working on a project to create high-quality braille from
> publisher's files to be embossed using the new BANA UEB specifications.
> LibLouis currently has a few shortcomings that need to be addressed before we
> can achieve the quality output we need. A couple of these have already been
> partially implemented by us or others.
> >
> >
> >
> > 1. Capitalization of phrases. Addition of cap-phrase sign and end
> cap-phrase sign along with implementation to support it.
> >
> > 2. Correct UEB capitalization within words with mixed case.
> >
> > 3. Correct application of symbols to begin and end emphasis
> (typeforms).
> >
> > 4. Support for additional, custom, typeforms provided by UEB.
> >
> >
> > We are proposing doing this coding ourselves. Along with some
> > corrections
> to the tables, with deference to the work Joseph and Ken are doing on UEB
> tables.
> >
> >
> > One of the main changes we'd like to make is to change the way
> capitalization is handled so that internally LibLouis simply treats it as
> another form of emphasis. The only differences being that the attributes used
> for the capitalization is inherent in the text and does not need to be passed
> in as an argument when translating, and of course LibLouis handles
> capitalization in reverse as well as forward translation.
> >
> >
> > Internally there is actually even less difference between emphasis
> (typeforms) and how we hope to handle capitalization. Our plan is to expand
> the values used in the array that indicates emphasis and, on the first pass
> LibLouis makes through the text, set the array for capital emphasis at that
> time. Then handle it along with all other forms of emphasis.
> >
> >
> > In order to handle cases where we have multiple emphasis or typeforms
> > the
> current implementation needs to be enhanced so that it not only knows when
> the emphasis flags change but exactly how they change. This is in fact the
> only way to make capitalization as a form of emphasis work. An additional
> benefit of this is of course handling mixed bold, italics, and underlined
> text even if they are irregularly mixed.
> >
> >
> > I know it is usually preferable to make changes in very small
> > increments
> but we don't see a way to do this for our purposes. We plan to fork LibLouis,
> work on and test it while keeping in sync with the master LibLouis code as we
> can, and then at some point work on merging our work back to the master
> repository if that is desirable.
> >
> > Mike Gray mgray@xxxxxxx<mailto:mgray@xxxxxxx> is the programmer we
> > have tasked with accomplishing this work. We welcome any feedback. It
> > is our hope to improve LibLouis for eve
> >
> > Regards,
> > Keith Creasy
> > ryone
>
> --
> John J. Boyer; President,
> Abilitiessoft, Inc.
> http://www.abilitiessoft.com
> Madison, Wisconsin USA
> Developing software for people with disabilities
>
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> go to http://www.abilitiessoft.com
>
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> go to http://www.abilitiessoft.com
>
> For a description of the software, to download it and links to project pages
> go to http://www.abilitiessoft.com
> For a description of the software, to download it and links to
> project pages go to http://www.abilitiessoft.com
--
John J. Boyer; President,
Abilitiessoft, Inc.
http://www.abilitiessoft.com
Madison, Wisconsin USA
Developing software for people with disabilities
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