Yea, walter, I think you're right about the proficiency. But, I have just been asking myself whether I actually "need" an M6. What advantages could I foresee ? Would it be the best way to spend "photo money" or should I do something else ? It's the meter that distinguishes the M6 over the previous models. So, how indispensible is this feature ? Given the expense of the newer Leica optics, it's almost worth having several bodies though, just to avoid fumbling and possibly dropping a lens. Good luck with your shooting. Dave ________________________________ From: "walter.kramer@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <walter.kramer@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: leicareflex@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tue, January 5, 2010 8:50:05 PM Subject: [LRflex] Re: Using the M6 David, The advantage of the M6 over the R6 in some situations is that th= e M6 is almost silent. I took up playing with photography only 3= years ago in my late forties so my experience has been mostly limited to m= odern cameras that meter, however I'm quite determined to develop manu= al skills and a better eye for assessing the exposure requirements. I have never used an M5 but research seems to indicate to me that the needle pointer in the vf coupled with the larger shutter speed control make= s it a better user combination. I say this because I use a Konica T3 = SLR which is based on the idea of shutter priority rather than aperture pri= ority in its auto metering mode. Through the VF on the T3 you can see= an aperture scale on the right with a needle pointer, as you adjust shutte= r speed the needle will correspondingly point to the aperture speed it will= select to take the shot. Of course one can overide this. I find= this a very intuitiveand 'tactile' way of knowing what is going on. I believe the M5 is similar as an aperture scale is displayed at the bottonof the VF. One end of the scale indicates widest aperture and t= he other end indicates the greatest stopped down position. The n= eedle moves betweenthese extremes depending on the aperture setting. = There is also a readout which shows you the selected shutter speed. = When the match needlesintersect along the aperture scale by either changin= g the shutter speed or the aperture setting, 'correct' exposure is achieved= . The images in the linked article show the system better than I can exp= lain it. http://photo.net/equipment= /leica/m5/[1] I am sure though that mastery and proficiency with either of these cameras will produce the same results. Walter On Wed Jan 6 12:04 , David Simms sent: Interesting comments,= Walter &Charlie. I've never used an M5 but those comments are the typ= e of thing I was looking for. With the R6, the meter tells you whether you're low or high but it doesnt tell you by how much. So, I find that I have to look at the f stop or shutter speed to see which I want to adjust and how much adjustment I have. All of that takes time. It's not a problem for nature or other slow-moving subjects but, for people I prefer to pre-adjust and to fly with that exposure because then, the only issue is focus. I assume, from your comments, that the M6 would not confer much of an advantage insofar as street shooting or for other situations where people are the center of interest because it is similar to the R6 and, as you point out Walter, there is the issue of the shutter speed dial. Thanks Dave ________________________________ From: "walter.kramer@xxxxxxxxxxxx[2]" <walter.kramer@xxxxxxxxxxxx= [3]> To: leicareflex@xxxxxxxxxxxxx[4] Sent: Tue, January 5, 2010 3:07:09 PM Subject: [LRflex] Using the M6 Some on the list have been puzzled about my comments concerning getting use=d to the M6. There is a simple explanation. The M6 is the firstRangefinder camera I have used. Till recently I shot mostly= with = SLRs and Pshooters, usually in aperture priority mode with autom= atic exposure active. I'm used to compensating exposure by adjusting = shutter sp= eed with the command dial on modernn D/SLRs Getting used to the finder and attempting manual focus and metering on the M6 is quite slow for me at this point. So far I'm presetting the mete= =3D ring relative to the scene however if conditions change then I'm not yet ve= ry quick at resetting things to accomodate. Any tips on using Leica M== s or howto practice appreciated. I'm not in a position to compare va= ri= ous M versions, for what it;'s worth though I think the M5 is the best ergonically, the needle metering display and the fact that the shutter = dial= extends past the edge of the camera for quick and easy manipulation se= em advances on the M6. My prefernce is often to shoot as wide open as possible given the light andto adust the shutter speed accordingly. 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