Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode
- From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 18:06:58 -0700
But Jerry, in a forms field I never ever just click when I hear the words
"first name" or "user ID" or anything. I know that's the label associated
with an edit field, whether or not it's properly right before it the way we
prefer things to be coded. I always wait to hear Jaws announce "edit" before
I go into forms mode. So in all these years, I've never accidentally clicked
on something like a control or a link to another page at a time like that.
Okay? I can see why, if you've had trouble with something like that, it
would be a nice thing to have the harmless space bar alternative. Honest.
But I just never had that happen to me. I've made a host of other
unfortunate mistakes trying to navigate troublesome Web pages, but not this
kind of thing.
but I'm not dismissing the space bar as a useless keyboard control. Many's
the time I've used it to add a blank space between a period and the
beginning of a new sentence, for example, so I really appreciate this
Windows keyboard innovation.
----- Original Message -----
From: "G.W. Cox" <gwcox2@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 5:45 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode
I think they endowed the space bar with special powers around version 5.
Why I like it is let's say you have a poorly marked form that says "first
name, last name and then there are two text fields. If you mistakenly hit
enter on the words "first name," thinking you will go into forms mode, you
may activate the default button to buy a squiggly or go into a different web
page.
--- Original Message -----
From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode
> Hi Rick,
>
> I'm not generally afraid to experiment. I'm a longtime Jaws user. But to
> be
> honest, although I'm curious to see what sorts of situations might benefit
> from my using the space bar to enter forms mode, I've never felt I had a
> problem related to using the Enter key for that in the first place, you
> see.
> So it just didn't occur to me that there was even a problem that required
> a
> creative solution. What was it that inspired you or Jerry to even bother
> with this? And what have you determined from your experience is
> advantageous
> about this substitution? That's a straight question. Not being sarcastic.
> Not forgetting that there are a million ways to skin a cat, do something
> in
> Jaws or Windows, or whatever, please understand. Just asking. Hope that
> keeps the flamers down.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rick Harmon" <rharmon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 5:03 PM
> Subject: Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode
>
>
> From triaal and error sometimes. Don't be afraid to experiment a bit,This
> isn't really documented. Enter is the official accepted way of entering
> forms mode.
>
> Rick
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 7:46 PM
> Subject: Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode
>
>
> Okay, fine. But where did you learn that this could be done, is what I'm
> asking. Implicitly. Like/as they say.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "G.W. Cox" <gwcox2@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 4:41 PM
> Subject: Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode
>
>
> Try it. You'll like it.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 4:50 PM
> Subject: Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode
>
>
>> Jerry,
>>
>> through numerous versions of Jaws, I've never learned from the
>> documentation
>> or tutorials or ever heard anyone say, as you have, that you can use the
>> space bar to enter Forms Mode. Seriously? That's interesting. The
>> instruction has always been to press Enter, and I never inferred that to
>> be
>> suggesting or implying that this is like working with controls labeled
>> buttons, where sometimes enter will do the job but other times it's the
>> space bar. I thought Forms Mode was just an enter thing, end of story.
>>
>> Not so, apparently?Seriously
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "G.W. Cox" <gwcox2@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 2:30 PM
>> Subject: Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode
>>
>>
>> Just something I've noticed. I usually use the space bar to go into forms
>> mode with older versions of Jaws. That cuts down on going where I don't
>> want
>> to.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Rose Combs
>> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 1:42 PM
>> Subject: RE: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode
>>
>>
>> If you do not like it turn it off. Personally it is something that is
>> very long overdue in my opinion. I like not having to press enter to
>> fill
>> in forms, it needs a bit more work, for example if one tabs to put in a
>> password after a user name it sometimes turns off and getting it back
>> again
>> can be a annoying but, for the most part this is a feature I like a
>> lot--a
>> feather that often in the past has made me switch to System Access when I
>> know I am going to be filling in forms.
>>
>>
>> Rose Combs
>> rosecombs@xxxxxxxxx
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf
>> Of alice dampman
>> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 5:41 AM
>> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode
>>
>>
>> I don't think I like the idea of auto forms mode at all. If I want to
>> fill
>> out something, it is so easy to hit enter to get into forms mode, there
>> is
>> no chance of typing something into an edit field unintentionally, I
>> always
>> know whether I'm in forms mode or not, and if for some reason, I'm
>> unsure,
>> all I have to do is press the key combination for the pc cursor to find
>> out.
>> I don't like my computer or its programs to do my thinking for me,
>> and
>> automatically putting me in forms mode when I may not want to be there
>> falls
>> into that category IMO.
>> Alice
>> alicedh@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Peter Holdstock
>> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 5:37 PM
>> Subject: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi, I love the new auto forms mode. However I find it annoying when
>> sometimes it will automatically go in to auto forms mode when you first
>> load
>> up a site. For example EBay or other sites were there is a search box or
>> username field, and the website is designed to put you straight to either
>> of
>> the boxes. JAWS then switches to forms mode as soon as the page has
>> loaded
>> (sometimes even whilst it's loading), and then you can't use your
>> navigation
>> quick keys to move around the page, without having to press down arrow
>> first
>> to get out of forms mode.
>>
>> I'd like to have it so that JAWS wont go in to auto forms mode in
>> situations were the website automatically puts you in an edit field.
>>
>> Anybody else have any comments on this?
>>
>> Peter
>>
>>
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