Hi Geoff, Had a late night last night. I tried to update Jaws and update failed. Will try again when I get back from a walk with my guide dog. hot in NYC today. I'll also read about hot spot link. Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 7:09 PM Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Scratch Live Install > ALSO DID YOU TRY THE JAWS 10 SOUND CARD SWITCHING MANAGER OPTIONS UNDER > UTILITY MENU? MAYBE THEY'LL WORK FOR YOU! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ann Medlar" <amedlar1@xxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 9:48 PM > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Scratch Live Install > > >> Hello Geoff, >> Reason for my Scratch Live is that I am trying to script software for a >> local DJ. >> I am using Windows XP and Jaws10.x. If I upgrade Jaws then do I need to >> repeat this process each time FS has a Jaws upgrade? >> Well I used the find command to get JFW.ini. I copied file into my >> documents as backup. >> How do I know that added statement is correct spelling or syntax?I >> changed >> file as follows: >> [Options] >> ; If FirewallCheck is set to 1, JAWS will attempt to check if a firewall >> ; application is running by prematurely triggering the firewall when >> ; JAWS starts. This setting is off by default and is ignored when JAWS >> ; is set to run at Windows startup. >> FirewallCheck=0 >> ; If AutoUpdatesEnabled is set to 1, the you can query for JAWS updates >> ; from the main menu. >> AutoUpdatesEnabled=1 >> ; Source path of the Automatic Updates Dll. Multiple paths are delimited >> ; by a semi-colon. >> > UpdateDllSource=ftp://ftp.FreedomScientific.com/users/hj/private/WebFiles/Au > toUpdate/JAWSUpd >> >> > ate.dll;http://files.freedomscientific.com/WebFiles/AutoUpdate/JAWSUpdate.dl > l >> >> [Synthesizers] >> Synth1Name=eloq >> Synth1LongName=Eloquence Software >> Synth1Driver=eloq >> ;; added line 5/20/09 Ann Medlar >> Synth1Port=SoundMAX Integrated Digital HD Audio >> ; end add on 5/20/09 A Medlar >> Synth2Name=SAPI 5X >> Synth2LongName=SAPI 5 >> Synth2Driver=sapi5x >> Synth3Name=RealSpeak >> Synth3LongName=RealSpeak Solo Direct >> Synth3Driver=RealSpeak >> [Remote Access] >> UseVirtualSpeech=1 >> UseVirtualBraille=1 >> No sighted help around so I hesitate to experiment. I think I'll wait > until >> I hear from my friend who btw is far away from me. >> Ann >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 8:22 PM >> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Scratch Live Install >> >> >> > ok GianniP46. hang on a second here. >> > are you saying that this scratch live thing requires another add-on > piece >> > of >> > hardware/equipment to even run/be in the least useful for it's >> > application? >> > which contains it's own audio device in that hardware? >> > Because, if this is the case, did you realize this ann? What exactly is >> > the >> > task your wanting to solve here with this program ann? we better find > out >> > if >> > it is really what you want/need, before we go much further in trying to >> > solve this one, re configuration of jaws into separate sound cards and > the >> > complexities of that one, >> > ought not we? >> > >> > Ann. well, ... ok here's the complexity. >> > jaws10, for the first time, >> > has finally implemented a sound card/audio device, (they mean the same >> > thing >> > by the way,) >> > manager, right into the utilities submenu from their main application >> > context menu, if jaws is running in system tray. >> > i.e. if it is, and if you have jaws 10, you could try hitting insert+j, >> > then >> > down arrowing to utilities, then right arrowing, and looking at the >> > list >> > of >> > available ports in your available sound cards, and hitting enter on the >> > one >> > you'd like. >> > I say, try, this, because, it's the very first itteration of this > feature, >> > and, well all I can tell you from my own personal experience having >> > just >> > tested it here on my system, is, it doesn't work for me! >> > even closing and restarting jaws, even though it shows a checkmark in > that >> > menu when I go back in there, next to the sound card/audio device I >> > want >> > it >> > to use, it's definitely not being output from that device! >> > >> > Now of course I don't know whether this is something in my local system >> > here, I presume so for surely they couldn't release it if it plain > didn't >> > work, but, as I say, my experience today was here it didn't. >> > >> > So, there's a more techy "back end," way, of forcing jaws to use the >> > soundcard you want it to use. and this does work for me under windows > xp, >> > it's what I use to make it happen. and it'll obviously also work for > jaws >> > versions earlier than 10. >> > >> > now when I say this, i add the important following caveats! >> > 1. this is using windows xp. if you've got windows vista installed, > which >> > you may well have since you mention it as a new pc, then this might >> > not >> > work either! and you may have to get your kind friend around for you >> > who >> > suggests such gymnastics as she/he has, and ask them to help you out > with >> > that. >> > 2. this is something in my view, that you don't wanna mess with alone, >> > since >> > if you mess it up, you might get yourself into a situation of having no >> > speech output from jaws >> > at all, if your speech synth is misdirected to some audio device that >> > doesn't exist or whatever. So I caution you to have sighted help >> > around >> > before attempting any of this. >> > The following instructions may thus only be valid for a windows xp >> > installation. >> > >> > the back end way which we've done this for years is: >> > 1. open my computer, go to program files, then freedom scientific, >> > (i.e. >> > not >> > freedom scientific installation information,) >> > then into the folder called jaws, (i.e. not "runTime jaws, just jaws," >> > then >> > into the version of jaws you have installed, i.e. 9.0, 10.0 etc. >> > >> > 2. hit alt+v, then l, to insure your list is in an upDown >> > configuration, >> > and >> > not in multiple columns across the screen. >> > >> > 3. hit alt+v, then i, for arrange icons, then see if, "name," >> > identifies > a >> > check mark next to it. if it does, hit alt key to dismiss the menu and >> > leave >> > alone. if not, hit enter on name, such that the list is displayed in > name >> > order, and not some other order. >> > >> > 4. type the letters, j f, quickly, to jump to the files starting with >> > those >> > letters. >> > now, here's where things can get kinda messy. >> > hopefully, although windows doesn't ship this way by default, you have >> > altered the settings such that you will hear the file extensions, i.e. > the >> > 3 >> > character part after the period in every file name, which helps denote > to >> > windows, what file type each file is. >> > now there are multiple files in here beginning withi the letters jfw, > you >> > want the one called jfw.ini. now if you don't have extentions enabled, >> > then >> > you may be in the unpleasant situation of only being informed that all >> > 3 >> > of >> > the first files in alphabetical order, all speak simply as, jfw. >> > However, they are not the same. in my list here, the first is jfw.enu, > the >> > second is jfw.exe, and the third, is the one you want, jfw.ini. >> > >> > 5. hit enter on jfw.ini, and hopefully it will have notepad as the >> > default >> > word processor to handle ini files, >> > and open it in that program. if it comes up with a box indicating it >> > doesn't >> > know how to handle these, then try choosing that you want it to open in >> > notepad. instructions how to do this beyond the scope of this document. >> > >> > 6. if you've got the right file, you should see lines like the > following: >> > [Options] >> > ; If FirewallCheck is set to 1, JAWS will attempt to check if a >> > firewall >> > ; application is running by prematurely triggering the firewall when >> > ; JAWS starts. This setting is off by default and is ignored when JAWS >> > ; is set to run at Windows startup. >> > FirewallCheck=0 >> > >> > >> > note that some lines begin with semi colons in here, they are lines > which >> > are comments, and don't get processed by windows as valid compile >> > lines, >> > just like in script manager. >> > this is handy to know if you wanna have multiple lines, and switch them > on >> > or off from being processed by placing semi colons at their far left > hand >> > ends. >> > >> > also note that sections in here, are denoted by being surrounded with >> > brackets. like >> > [options] [ >> > >> > [Synthesizers] >> > >> > etc. >> > >> > >> > 7. scroll down until you find the section called >> > [Synthesizers] >> > you should see in here, lines like: >> > Synth1Name=eloq >> > Synth1LongName=Eloquence Software >> > Synth1Driver=eloq >> > >> > 8. now, presuming you are just using default settings and eloquence as >> > your >> > main synth, and thus utilizing synth1 settings here, >> > just above the lines starting with synth2, make a blank line by hitting >> > home >> > on that line then hitting enter, then up arrowing again such that your >> > over >> > the blank line, just below the line >> > Synth1Driver=eloq. >> > >> > 9. now what we need to do here is paste in a line like the following, > but >> > with the name of the sound card you want to force jaws to use after the >> > words, >> > >> > Synth1Port= >> > >> > but exactly, as displayed in sounds and audio devices in control >> > pannel, >> > in >> > the, "audio" tab. >> > >> > . given your message of what looks like three sound cards/audio >> > devices >> > your system currently has installed,, if you wanted jaws to use the > sound >> > max audio device for example, you might try the following line: >> > >> > Synth1Port=SoundMAX Integrated Digital HD Audio >> > >> > >> > now this is assuming, that this is the way this audio device appears in >> > the >> > above place on your system, as taken from what you've posted about it. > but >> > I >> > can't guarantee this will be the case of course. >> > >> > then hit control+s to save, and, as I say, insuring you have sighted > help >> > about, in case this fails totally and you lose speech, quit and restart >> > jaws. and see if it now comes out the sound max digital audio device. >> > I hope this helps. >> > >> > >> > To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> > Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 3:13 AM >> > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Scratch Live Install >> > >> > >> >> The hardware that you have to use with ScratchLive acts as the sound > card >> >> for the music and the regular sound card handles Jaws. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Donald Marang" <donald.marang@xxxxxxxxx> >> >> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 11:32 AM >> >> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Scratch Live Install >> >> >> >> >> >> >I have not used this program or any other DJ software lately. I am > just >> >> > curious. If you regularly do this kind of work, wouldn't you want >> >> > to >> > use >> >> > a >> >> > second sound card anyway? I thought most blind DJs typically > directed >> >> > JAWS >> >> > to another sound card and output so it is not heard mixed with the >> > music. >> >> > I >> >> > would think a USB external sound card, and directing JAWS to > headphones >> >> > would be the typical solution. This should certainly eliminate the > DJ >> >> > program from distorting JAWS. >> >> > >> >> > Sorry if I am not understanding the purpose of this application or > the >> >> > situation. >> >> > >> >> > Don Marang >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> >> > From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> >> > To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> >> > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 1:05 AM >> >> > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Scratch Live Install >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> GianniP, what sound card or cards have you got installed on your >> >> >> puter? >> >> >> and >> >> >> Ann, what have you got. >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> From: "GianniP46" <giannip46@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> >> >> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 2:45 AM >> >> >> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Scratch Live Install >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> I am using version 1.8.3 on a regular basis with no problems. I > have >> >> >>> started messing around with 1.9 and I cannot confirm the problem > with >> >> >> fuzzy >> >> >>> speech. >> >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >>> From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> >> >>> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> >> >>> Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 8:16 PM >> >> >>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Scratch Live Install >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> > Woopse. sorry Ann, did not see this before I sent my last. >> >> >>> > Ann I don't know this program at all and will await other's >> >> >>> > comments >> >> >>> > who >> >> >>> > know it. but, when you say below that you, "use the jaws key,", > do >> > you >> >> >>> > mean >> >> >>> > you examine the screen with the jaws Cursor? and are you saying >> >> >>> > you >> >> >>> > cannot >> >> >>> > read any text on the screen with that in this scratch live > software >> >> >>> > program? >> >> >>> > as far as the jaws sounding "off station," ... wow, >> >> >>> > man that does seem very strange. I wish I could actually hear > what >> >> >>> > your >> >> >>> > talking about here. we can't have attachments to the list posts >> >> >>> > can >> >> >>> > we >> >> >>> > everet? such that ann could send an audio clip of a "normal," >> >> >>> > and >> >> >>> > "fuzzyness," of eloquence sound? >> >> >>> > I presume you are using the default eloquence speech synthesizer >> >> >>> > are >> >> >>> > you >> >> >>> > Ann? for remember that jaws is just the screenReader and can be >> >> >>> > made >> >> >>> > to >> >> >>> > pipe >> >> >>> > it's output through a number of differing synthesizers. Though > to >> > me >> >> >>> > eloquence is still the best quality for the negligible > performance >> >> >> usage >> >> >>> > it >> >> >>> > seems to require. >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > now I will tell you, that over the years, I have found something >> > quite >> >> >> odd >> >> >>> > with eloquence and top end clarity on differing computer >> >> >>> > systems. >> >> >>> > Glen >> >> >>> > from >> >> >>> > FS even called me up about it one day after a post I made to >> >> >>> > some >> > list >> >> >>> > about >> >> >>> > it, and we talked about it for quite a while, seeking to get to > the >> >> >> bottom >> >> >>> > of what might be going on. >> >> >>> > Being an audio man/musician myself, my claim was, that on my 98 >> >> >> machine, >> >> >>> > fitted with an old creative labs sound blaster live platinum > sound >> >> >>> > card >> >> >> I >> >> >>> > think it is, >> >> >>> > eloquence had a certain beautiful top end clarity, that it >> >> >>> > simply >> > did >> >> >>> > absolutely not have, on my xp machine, under a sound max digital >> > audio >> >> >>> > sound >> >> >>> > card. >> >> >>> > And the other caveat was, that when window eyes was run on the >> >> >>> > xp >> > box, >> >> >>> > through it's own rendering of the eloquence synthesizer, all the >> > same >> >> >> nice >> >> >>> > top end was present, which as I say, absolutely wasn't present, >> >> >>> > when >> >> >>> > running >> >> >>> > jaws through it's eloquence output implementation. >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > What I think we established, might, have been going on in the > end, >> > was >> >> >>> > that >> >> >>> > the issue had something to do with the way the sound max >> >> >>> > drivers, >> >> >> handled >> >> >>> > the default 11khz sampling rate output, that the jaws rendering > of >> > the >> >> >>> > eloquence speech synthesizer, was presenting to it. >> >> >>> > Glen concluded that he thought that my sound blaster sound card, >> >> >>> > was >> >> >>> > actually up sampling the eloquence output, to 22.5.khz, actually >> >> >> seemingly >> >> >>> > to allow for an increase, in the top end frequencies produced, > but >> > did >> >> >> so >> >> >>> > using such a nice algorithm, that it also filtered out all the >> >> >>> > undesirable, >> >> >>> > fuzzy sounding, digital artifacts, called aliusing, that > naturally >> >> >>> > tends >> >> >>> > to >> >> >>> > occur when this is done unless it's been very carefully filtered > to >> >> >> remove >> >> >>> > those. >> >> >>> > whereas my sound max digital audio sound card, was leaving the >> >> >>> > eloquence >> >> >>> > alone at the 11.025 khz sampling rate, and just allowing it to >> >> >>> > be >> >> >>> > output >> >> >>> > at >> >> >>> > that, without mmesing with it at all. hense the duller top end > when >> >> >>> > compared >> >> >>> > to that produced by both window eyes rendering of eloquence, > which >> >> >>> > I >> >> >> think >> >> >>> > we determined might also have been up sampling the output to > 22khz, >> >> >>> > and >> >> >>> > jaws >> >> >>> > through eloquence on the sound blaster box. >> >> >>> > Now I'm afraid I don't really have time over the next couple > weeks, >> > to >> >> >> do >> >> >>> > any more decent research about this,, would you say that the, >> >> >> "fuzzyness," >> >> >>> > and, "off-station," sound of jaws/eloquence your seeking to >> > describe, >> >> >> is >> >> >>> > a >> >> >>> > drop in clarity/top end frequencies? or would you say it sounds >> >> >>> > more >> >> >> like >> >> >>> > it's got added top end, but with kinda fuzzy ugly digital > artifacts >> >> >> thrown >> >> >>> > in on top. >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > I'll nearly bet it's the latter, and if so, I'd hazard a guess > that >> >> >>> > the >> >> >>> > scratch live software may've put a driver in the chain, which is >> >> >>> > forcing >> >> >>> > everything that comes out of that sound card, to be up sampled >> >> >>> > to >> >> >> 22.khz, >> >> >>> > not expecting that anyone these days is going to have sounds on >> > their >> >> >>> > puters >> >> >>> > of such a low grade 11khz sampling rate, but doing so without >> > seeking >> >> >>> > to >> >> >>> > properly filter the aliusing from the sound? ... maybe! it's >> >> >>> > just > a >> >> >> guess. >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >>> > From: "Ann Medlar" <amedlar1@xxxxxxxxxxx> >> >> >>> > To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> >> >>> > Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 7:45 AM >> >> >>> > Subject: [jawsscripts] Scratch Live Install >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> >> Don't know why original message did not show up when I replied > to >> >> >> Jeff's >> >> >>> > message. >> >> >>> >> Hi, >> >> >>> >> When I press start key, p for programs enter on Serato enter on >> >> >>> >> Scratch >> >> >>> > Live >> >> >>> >> it sounds like Jaws is off station. I press insert+F4 to >> >> >>> >> unload >> > and >> >> >>> > restart >> >> >>> >> Jaws again but Jaws still sounds like an untuned radio station. >> > Fuzz >> >> >>> > sound >> >> >>> >> in Jaws only goes away when I reboot. >> >> >>> >> When I installed Scratch Live I went directly to site and >> > downloaded >> >> >> and >> >> >>> >> saved >> >> >>> >> version 1.9 to my desktop. I then went to Serato folder which >> >> >>> >> had >> > a >> >> >>> >> setup.exe, and a driver folder which contained Vista, Vista64, >> >> >>> >> and >> >> >>> >> XP >> >> >>> > were >> >> >>> >> sub folders. I went into XP, 57 sl, MP4, SL1, and SL3 were sub >> >> >> folders. >> >> >>> > I >> >> >>> >> just used the setup.exe and installed using automatic rather > than >> >> >> custom. >> >> >>> >> When I launch Scratch Live, alt key does not bring up menus. I >> >> >>> >> use >> >> >> Jaws >> >> >>> > key >> >> >>> >> and nothing speaks. >> >> >>> >> Do you know if I need to install differently? >> >> >>> >> Any help is appreciated. >> >> >>> >> Ann >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> __________ >> >> >>> >> Visit and contribute to The JAWS Script Repository >> >> >> http://jawsscripts.com >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> View the list's information and change your settings at >> >> >>> >> //www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > __________ >> >> >>> > Visit and contribute to The JAWS Script Repository >> >> >> http://jawsscripts.com >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > View the list's information and change your settings at >> >> >>> > //www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> >> >> >>> __________ >> >> >>> Visit and contribute to The JAWS Script Repository >> >> >>> http://jawsscripts.com >> >> >>> >> >> >>> View the list's information and change your settings at >> >> >>> //www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> __________ >> >> >> Visit and contribute to The JAWS Script Repository >> > http://jawsscripts.com >> >> >> >> >> >> View the list's information and change your settings at >> >> >> //www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > __________ >> >> > Visit and contribute to The JAWS Script Repository >> > http://jawsscripts.com >> >> > >> >> > View the list's information and change your settings at >> >> > //www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> __________ >> >> Visit and contribute to The JAWS Script Repository > http://jawsscripts.com >> >> >> >> View the list's information and change your settings at >> >> //www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts >> >> >> > >> > __________ >> > Visit and contribute to The JAWS Script Repository > http://jawsscripts.com >> > >> > View the list's information and change your settings at >> > //www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts >> > >> >> __________ >> Visit and contribute to The JAWS Script Repository http://jawsscripts.com >> >> View the list's information and change your settings at >> //www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts >> > > __________ > Visit and contribute to The JAWS Script Repository http://jawsscripts.com > > View the list's information and change your settings at > //www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts > __________ Visit and contribute to The JAWS Script Repository http://jawsscripts.com View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts