[jawsscripts] Re: Scratch Live Install
- From: "Ann Medlar" <amedlar1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 11:03:54 -0400
Thanks Gianni,
I read site and user manual but cannot get Jaws to work. I guess I need
other hardware.
Ann
----- Original Message -----
From: "GianniP46" <giannip46@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 10:43 AM
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Scratch Live Install
> Yes I am because that is how you connect the turntables or CD players to
> your laptop to D J with and control the MP3S. The info is all on the
> website.
> www.scratchlive.net
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 8:22 PM
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Scratch Live Install
>
>
>> ok GianniP46. hang on a second here.
>> are you saying that this scratch live thing requires another add-on piece
>> of
>> hardware/equipment to even run/be in the least useful for it's
>> application?
>> which contains it's own audio device in that hardware?
>> Because, if this is the case, did you realize this ann? What exactly is
>> the
>> task your wanting to solve here with this program ann? we better find out
>> if
>> it is really what you want/need, before we go much further in trying to
>> solve this one, re configuration of jaws into separate sound cards and
>> the
>> complexities of that one,
>> ought not we?
>>
>> Ann. well, ... ok here's the complexity.
>> jaws10, for the first time,
>> has finally implemented a sound card/audio device, (they mean the same
>> thing
>> by the way,)
>> manager, right into the utilities submenu from their main application
>> context menu, if jaws is running in system tray.
>> i.e. if it is, and if you have jaws 10, you could try hitting insert+j,
>> then
>> down arrowing to utilities, then right arrowing, and looking at the list
>> of
>> available ports in your available sound cards, and hitting enter on the
>> one
>> you'd like.
>> I say, try, this, because, it's the very first itteration of this
>> feature,
>> and, well all I can tell you from my own personal experience having just
>> tested it here on my system, is, it doesn't work for me!
>> even closing and restarting jaws, even though it shows a checkmark in
>> that
>> menu when I go back in there, next to the sound card/audio device I want
>> it
>> to use, it's definitely not being output from that device!
>>
>> Now of course I don't know whether this is something in my local system
>> here, I presume so for surely they couldn't release it if it plain didn't
>> work, but, as I say, my experience today was here it didn't.
>>
>> So, there's a more techy "back end," way, of forcing jaws to use the
>> soundcard you want it to use. and this does work for me under windows xp,
>> it's what I use to make it happen. and it'll obviously also work for jaws
>> versions earlier than 10.
>>
>> now when I say this, i add the important following caveats!
>> 1. this is using windows xp. if you've got windows vista installed,
>> which
>> you may well have since you mention it as a new pc, then this might not
>> work either! and you may have to get your kind friend around for you who
>> suggests such gymnastics as she/he has, and ask them to help you out with
>> that.
>> 2. this is something in my view, that you don't wanna mess with alone,
>> since
>> if you mess it up, you might get yourself into a situation of having no
>> speech output from jaws
>> at all, if your speech synth is misdirected to some audio device that
>> doesn't exist or whatever. So I caution you to have sighted help around
>> before attempting any of this.
>> The following instructions may thus only be valid for a windows xp
>> installation.
>>
>> the back end way which we've done this for years is:
>> 1. open my computer, go to program files, then freedom scientific, (i.e.
>> not
>> freedom scientific installation information,)
>> then into the folder called jaws, (i.e. not "runTime jaws, just jaws,"
>> then
>> into the version of jaws you have installed, i.e. 9.0, 10.0 etc.
>>
>> 2. hit alt+v, then l, to insure your list is in an upDown configuration,
>> and
>> not in multiple columns across the screen.
>>
>> 3. hit alt+v, then i, for arrange icons, then see if, "name," identifies
>> a
>> check mark next to it. if it does, hit alt key to dismiss the menu and
>> leave
>> alone. if not, hit enter on name, such that the list is displayed in name
>> order, and not some other order.
>>
>> 4. type the letters, j f, quickly, to jump to the files starting with
>> those
>> letters.
>> now, here's where things can get kinda messy.
>> hopefully, although windows doesn't ship this way by default, you have
>> altered the settings such that you will hear the file extensions, i.e.
>> the
>> 3
>> character part after the period in every file name, which helps denote to
>> windows, what file type each file is.
>> now there are multiple files in here beginning withi the letters jfw, you
>> want the one called jfw.ini. now if you don't have extentions enabled,
>> then
>> you may be in the unpleasant situation of only being informed that all 3
>> of
>> the first files in alphabetical order, all speak simply as, jfw.
>> However, they are not the same. in my list here, the first is jfw.enu,
>> the
>> second is jfw.exe, and the third, is the one you want, jfw.ini.
>>
>> 5. hit enter on jfw.ini, and hopefully it will have notepad as the
>> default
>> word processor to handle ini files,
>> and open it in that program. if it comes up with a box indicating it
>> doesn't
>> know how to handle these, then try choosing that you want it to open in
>> notepad. instructions how to do this beyond the scope of this document.
>>
>> 6. if you've got the right file, you should see lines like the following:
>> [Options]
>> ; If FirewallCheck is set to 1, JAWS will attempt to check if a firewall
>> ; application is running by prematurely triggering the firewall when
>> ; JAWS starts. This setting is off by default and is ignored when JAWS
>> ; is set to run at Windows startup.
>> FirewallCheck=0
>>
>>
>> note that some lines begin with semi colons in here, they are lines which
>> are comments, and don't get processed by windows as valid compile lines,
>> just like in script manager.
>> this is handy to know if you wanna have multiple lines, and switch them
>> on
>> or off from being processed by placing semi colons at their far left hand
>> ends.
>>
>> also note that sections in here, are denoted by being surrounded with
>> brackets. like
>> [options] [
>>
>> [Synthesizers]
>>
>> etc.
>>
>>
>> 7. scroll down until you find the section called
>> [Synthesizers]
>> you should see in here, lines like:
>> Synth1Name=eloq
>> Synth1LongName=Eloquence Software
>> Synth1Driver=eloq
>>
>> 8. now, presuming you are just using default settings and eloquence as
>> your
>> main synth, and thus utilizing synth1 settings here,
>> just above the lines starting with synth2, make a blank line by hitting
>> home
>> on that line then hitting enter, then up arrowing again such that your
>> over
>> the blank line, just below the line
>> Synth1Driver=eloq.
>>
>> 9. now what we need to do here is paste in a line like the following, but
>> with the name of the sound card you want to force jaws to use after the
>> words,
>>
>> Synth1Port=
>>
>> but exactly, as displayed in sounds and audio devices in control pannel,
>> in
>> the, "audio" tab.
>>
>> . given your message of what looks like three sound cards/audio devices
>> your system currently has installed,, if you wanted jaws to use the sound
>> max audio device for example, you might try the following line:
>>
>> Synth1Port=SoundMAX Integrated Digital HD Audio
>>
>>
>> now this is assuming, that this is the way this audio device appears in
>> the
>> above place on your system, as taken from what you've posted about it.
>> but
>> I
>> can't guarantee this will be the case of course.
>>
>> then hit control+s to save, and, as I say, insuring you have sighted help
>> about, in case this fails totally and you lose speech, quit and restart
>> jaws. and see if it now comes out the sound max digital audio device.
>> I hope this helps.
>>
>>
>> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 3:13 AM
>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Scratch Live Install
>>
>>
>>> The hardware that you have to use with ScratchLive acts as the sound
>>> card
>>> for the music and the regular sound card handles Jaws.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Donald Marang" <donald.marang@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 11:32 AM
>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Scratch Live Install
>>>
>>>
>>> >I have not used this program or any other DJ software lately. I am
>>> >just
>>> > curious. If you regularly do this kind of work, wouldn't you want to
>> use
>>> > a
>>> > second sound card anyway? I thought most blind DJs typically directed
>>> > JAWS
>>> > to another sound card and output so it is not heard mixed with the
>> music.
>>> > I
>>> > would think a USB external sound card, and directing JAWS to
>>> > headphones
>>> > would be the typical solution. This should certainly eliminate the DJ
>>> > program from distorting JAWS.
>>> >
>>> > Sorry if I am not understanding the purpose of this application or the
>>> > situation.
>>> >
>>> > Don Marang
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> > To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 1:05 AM
>>> > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Scratch Live Install
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> GianniP, what sound card or cards have you got installed on your
>>> >> puter?
>>> >> and
>>> >> Ann, what have you got.
>>> >>
>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >> From: "GianniP46" <giannip46@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> >> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 2:45 AM
>>> >> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Scratch Live Install
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>> I am using version 1.8.3 on a regular basis with no problems. I
>>> >>> have
>>> >>> started messing around with 1.9 and I cannot confirm the problem
>>> >>> with
>>> >> fuzzy
>>> >>> speech.
>>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >>> From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> >>> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> >>> Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 8:16 PM
>>> >>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Scratch Live Install
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> > Woopse. sorry Ann, did not see this before I sent my last.
>>> >>> > Ann I don't know this program at all and will await other's
>>> >>> > comments
>>> >>> > who
>>> >>> > know it. but, when you say below that you, "use the jaws key,", do
>> you
>>> >>> > mean
>>> >>> > you examine the screen with the jaws Cursor? and are you saying
>>> >>> > you
>>> >>> > cannot
>>> >>> > read any text on the screen with that in this scratch live
>>> >>> > software
>>> >>> > program?
>>> >>> > as far as the jaws sounding "off station," ... wow,
>>> >>> > man that does seem very strange. I wish I could actually hear
>>> >>> > what
>>> >>> > your
>>> >>> > talking about here. we can't have attachments to the list posts
>>> >>> > can
>>> >>> > we
>>> >>> > everet? such that ann could send an audio clip of a "normal," and
>>> >>> > "fuzzyness," of eloquence sound?
>>> >>> > I presume you are using the default eloquence speech synthesizer
>>> >>> > are
>>> >>> > you
>>> >>> > Ann? for remember that jaws is just the screenReader and can be
>>> >>> > made
>>> >>> > to
>>> >>> > pipe
>>> >>> > it's output through a number of differing synthesizers. Though to
>> me
>>> >>> > eloquence is still the best quality for the negligible
>>> >>> > performance
>>> >> usage
>>> >>> > it
>>> >>> > seems to require.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > now I will tell you, that over the years, I have found something
>> quite
>>> >> odd
>>> >>> > with eloquence and top end clarity on differing computer systems.
>>> >>> > Glen
>>> >>> > from
>>> >>> > FS even called me up about it one day after a post I made to some
>> list
>>> >>> > about
>>> >>> > it, and we talked about it for quite a while, seeking to get to
>>> >>> > the
>>> >> bottom
>>> >>> > of what might be going on.
>>> >>> > Being an audio man/musician myself, my claim was, that on my 98
>>> >> machine,
>>> >>> > fitted with an old creative labs sound blaster live platinum sound
>>> >>> > card
>>> >> I
>>> >>> > think it is,
>>> >>> > eloquence had a certain beautiful top end clarity, that it simply
>> did
>>> >>> > absolutely not have, on my xp machine, under a sound max digital
>> audio
>>> >>> > sound
>>> >>> > card.
>>> >>> > And the other caveat was, that when window eyes was run on the xp
>> box,
>>> >>> > through it's own rendering of the eloquence synthesizer, all the
>> same
>>> >> nice
>>> >>> > top end was present, which as I say, absolutely wasn't present,
>>> >>> > when
>>> >>> > running
>>> >>> > jaws through it's eloquence output implementation.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > What I think we established, might, have been going on in the end,
>> was
>>> >>> > that
>>> >>> > the issue had something to do with the way the sound max drivers,
>>> >> handled
>>> >>> > the default 11khz sampling rate output, that the jaws rendering of
>> the
>>> >>> > eloquence speech synthesizer, was presenting to it.
>>> >>> > Glen concluded that he thought that my sound blaster sound card,
>>> >>> > was
>>> >>> > actually up sampling the eloquence output, to 22.5.khz, actually
>>> >> seemingly
>>> >>> > to allow for an increase, in the top end frequencies produced, but
>> did
>>> >> so
>>> >>> > using such a nice algorithm, that it also filtered out all the
>>> >>> > undesirable,
>>> >>> > fuzzy sounding, digital artifacts, called aliusing, that naturally
>>> >>> > tends
>>> >>> > to
>>> >>> > occur when this is done unless it's been very carefully filtered
>>> >>> > to
>>> >> remove
>>> >>> > those.
>>> >>> > whereas my sound max digital audio sound card, was leaving the
>>> >>> > eloquence
>>> >>> > alone at the 11.025 khz sampling rate, and just allowing it to be
>>> >>> > output
>>> >>> > at
>>> >>> > that, without mmesing with it at all. hense the duller top end
>>> >>> > when
>>> >>> > compared
>>> >>> > to that produced by both window eyes rendering of eloquence, which
>>> >>> > I
>>> >> think
>>> >>> > we determined might also have been up sampling the output to
>>> >>> > 22khz,
>>> >>> > and
>>> >>> > jaws
>>> >>> > through eloquence on the sound blaster box.
>>> >>> > Now I'm afraid I don't really have time over the next couple
>>> >>> > weeks,
>> to
>>> >> do
>>> >>> > any more decent research about this,, would you say that the,
>>> >> "fuzzyness,"
>>> >>> > and, "off-station," sound of jaws/eloquence your seeking to
>> describe,
>>> >> is
>>> >>> > a
>>> >>> > drop in clarity/top end frequencies? or would you say it sounds
>>> >>> > more
>>> >> like
>>> >>> > it's got added top end, but with kinda fuzzy ugly digital
>>> >>> > artifacts
>>> >> thrown
>>> >>> > in on top.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > I'll nearly bet it's the latter, and if so, I'd hazard a guess
>>> >>> > that
>>> >>> > the
>>> >>> > scratch live software may've put a driver in the chain, which is
>>> >>> > forcing
>>> >>> > everything that comes out of that sound card, to be up sampled to
>>> >> 22.khz,
>>> >>> > not expecting that anyone these days is going to have sounds on
>> their
>>> >>> > puters
>>> >>> > of such a low grade 11khz sampling rate, but doing so without
>> seeking
>>> >>> > to
>>> >>> > properly filter the aliusing from the sound? ... maybe! it's just
>>> >>> > a
>>> >> guess.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> >>> > From: "Ann Medlar" <amedlar1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> >>> > To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> >>> > Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 7:45 AM
>>> >>> > Subject: [jawsscripts] Scratch Live Install
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >> Don't know why original message did not show up when I replied to
>>> >> Jeff's
>>> >>> > message.
>>> >>> >> Hi,
>>> >>> >> When I press start key, p for programs enter on Serato enter on
>>> >>> >> Scratch
>>> >>> > Live
>>> >>> >> it sounds like Jaws is off station. I press insert+F4 to unload
>> and
>>> >>> > restart
>>> >>> >> Jaws again but Jaws still sounds like an untuned radio station.
>> Fuzz
>>> >>> > sound
>>> >>> >> in Jaws only goes away when I reboot.
>>> >>> >> When I installed Scratch Live I went directly to site and
>> downloaded
>>> >> and
>>> >>> >> saved
>>> >>> >> version 1.9 to my desktop. I then went to Serato folder which
>>> >>> >> had
>> a
>>> >>> >> setup.exe, and a driver folder which contained Vista, Vista64,
>>> >>> >> and
>>> >>> >> XP
>>> >>> > were
>>> >>> >> sub folders. I went into XP, 57 sl, MP4, SL1, and SL3 were sub
>>> >> folders.
>>> >>> > I
>>> >>> >> just used the setup.exe and installed using automatic rather than
>>> >> custom.
>>> >>> >> When I launch Scratch Live, alt key does not bring up menus. I
>>> >>> >> use
>>> >> Jaws
>>> >>> > key
>>> >>> >> and nothing speaks.
>>> >>> >> Do you know if I need to install differently?
>>> >>> >> Any help is appreciated.
>>> >>> >> Ann
>>> >>> >>
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