[jawsscripts] Re: Scratch Live Install
- From: "Ann Medlar" <amedlar1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 10:49:19 -0400
Fine I would love to speak off list. I emailed you a few days ago; I guess
yo8u did not recive my message?
Please email me at
amedlar1@xxxxxxxxxxx
----- Original Message -----
From: "GianniP46" <giannip46@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 10:43 AM
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Scratch Live Install
>I have already written scripts for it. Why don't we talk off list?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ann Medlar" <amedlar1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 7:48 AM
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Scratch Live Install
>
>
>> Hello Geoff,
>> Reason for my Scratch Live is that I am trying to script software for a
>> local DJ.
>> I am using Windows XP and Jaws10.x. If I upgrade Jaws then do I need to
>> repeat this process each time FS has a Jaws upgrade?
>> Well I used the find command to get JFW.ini. I copied file into my
>> documents as backup.
>> How do I know that added statement is correct spelling or syntax?I
>> changed
>> file as follows:
>> [Options]
>> ; If FirewallCheck is set to 1, JAWS will attempt to check if a firewall
>> ; application is running by prematurely triggering the firewall when
>> ; JAWS starts. This setting is off by default and is ignored when JAWS
>> ; is set to run at Windows startup.
>> FirewallCheck=0
>> ; If AutoUpdatesEnabled is set to 1, the you can query for JAWS updates
>> ; from the main menu.
>> AutoUpdatesEnabled=1
>> ; Source path of the Automatic Updates Dll. Multiple paths are delimited
>> ; by a semi-colon.
>> UpdateDllSource=ftp://ftp.FreedomScientific.com/users/hj/private/WebFiles/AutoUpdate/JAWSUpd
>>
>> ate.dll;http://files.freedomscientific.com/WebFiles/AutoUpdate/JAWSUpdate.dll
>>
>> [Synthesizers]
>> Synth1Name=eloq
>> Synth1LongName=Eloquence Software
>> Synth1Driver=eloq
>> ;; added line 5/20/09 Ann Medlar
>> Synth1Port=SoundMAX Integrated Digital HD Audio
>> ; end add on 5/20/09 A Medlar
>> Synth2Name=SAPI 5X
>> Synth2LongName=SAPI 5
>> Synth2Driver=sapi5x
>> Synth3Name=RealSpeak
>> Synth3LongName=RealSpeak Solo Direct
>> Synth3Driver=RealSpeak
>> [Remote Access]
>> UseVirtualSpeech=1
>> UseVirtualBraille=1
>> No sighted help around so I hesitate to experiment. I think I'll wait
>> until
>> I hear from my friend who btw is far away from me.
>> Ann
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 8:22 PM
>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Scratch Live Install
>>
>>
>>> ok GianniP46. hang on a second here.
>>> are you saying that this scratch live thing requires another add-on
>>> piece
>>> of
>>> hardware/equipment to even run/be in the least useful for it's
>>> application?
>>> which contains it's own audio device in that hardware?
>>> Because, if this is the case, did you realize this ann? What exactly is
>>> the
>>> task your wanting to solve here with this program ann? we better find
>>> out
>>> if
>>> it is really what you want/need, before we go much further in trying to
>>> solve this one, re configuration of jaws into separate sound cards and
>>> the
>>> complexities of that one,
>>> ought not we?
>>>
>>> Ann. well, ... ok here's the complexity.
>>> jaws10, for the first time,
>>> has finally implemented a sound card/audio device, (they mean the same
>>> thing
>>> by the way,)
>>> manager, right into the utilities submenu from their main application
>>> context menu, if jaws is running in system tray.
>>> i.e. if it is, and if you have jaws 10, you could try hitting insert+j,
>>> then
>>> down arrowing to utilities, then right arrowing, and looking at the list
>>> of
>>> available ports in your available sound cards, and hitting enter on the
>>> one
>>> you'd like.
>>> I say, try, this, because, it's the very first itteration of this
>>> feature,
>>> and, well all I can tell you from my own personal experience having just
>>> tested it here on my system, is, it doesn't work for me!
>>> even closing and restarting jaws, even though it shows a checkmark in
>>> that
>>> menu when I go back in there, next to the sound card/audio device I want
>>> it
>>> to use, it's definitely not being output from that device!
>>>
>>> Now of course I don't know whether this is something in my local system
>>> here, I presume so for surely they couldn't release it if it plain
>>> didn't
>>> work, but, as I say, my experience today was here it didn't.
>>>
>>> So, there's a more techy "back end," way, of forcing jaws to use the
>>> soundcard you want it to use. and this does work for me under windows
>>> xp,
>>> it's what I use to make it happen. and it'll obviously also work for
>>> jaws
>>> versions earlier than 10.
>>>
>>> now when I say this, i add the important following caveats!
>>> 1. this is using windows xp. if you've got windows vista installed,
>>> which
>>> you may well have since you mention it as a new pc, then this might not
>>> work either! and you may have to get your kind friend around for you who
>>> suggests such gymnastics as she/he has, and ask them to help you out
>>> with
>>> that.
>>> 2. this is something in my view, that you don't wanna mess with alone,
>>> since
>>> if you mess it up, you might get yourself into a situation of having no
>>> speech output from jaws
>>> at all, if your speech synth is misdirected to some audio device that
>>> doesn't exist or whatever. So I caution you to have sighted help around
>>> before attempting any of this.
>>> The following instructions may thus only be valid for a windows xp
>>> installation.
>>>
>>> the back end way which we've done this for years is:
>>> 1. open my computer, go to program files, then freedom scientific, (i.e.
>>> not
>>> freedom scientific installation information,)
>>> then into the folder called jaws, (i.e. not "runTime jaws, just jaws,"
>>> then
>>> into the version of jaws you have installed, i.e. 9.0, 10.0 etc.
>>>
>>> 2. hit alt+v, then l, to insure your list is in an upDown configuration,
>>> and
>>> not in multiple columns across the screen.
>>>
>>> 3. hit alt+v, then i, for arrange icons, then see if, "name," identifies
>>> a
>>> check mark next to it. if it does, hit alt key to dismiss the menu and
>>> leave
>>> alone. if not, hit enter on name, such that the list is displayed in
>>> name
>>> order, and not some other order.
>>>
>>> 4. type the letters, j f, quickly, to jump to the files starting with
>>> those
>>> letters.
>>> now, here's where things can get kinda messy.
>>> hopefully, although windows doesn't ship this way by default, you have
>>> altered the settings such that you will hear the file extensions, i.e.
>>> the
>>> 3
>>> character part after the period in every file name, which helps denote
>>> to
>>> windows, what file type each file is.
>>> now there are multiple files in here beginning withi the letters jfw,
>>> you
>>> want the one called jfw.ini. now if you don't have extentions enabled,
>>> then
>>> you may be in the unpleasant situation of only being informed that all 3
>>> of
>>> the first files in alphabetical order, all speak simply as, jfw.
>>> However, they are not the same. in my list here, the first is jfw.enu,
>>> the
>>> second is jfw.exe, and the third, is the one you want, jfw.ini.
>>>
>>> 5. hit enter on jfw.ini, and hopefully it will have notepad as the
>>> default
>>> word processor to handle ini files,
>>> and open it in that program. if it comes up with a box indicating it
>>> doesn't
>>> know how to handle these, then try choosing that you want it to open in
>>> notepad. instructions how to do this beyond the scope of this document.
>>>
>>> 6. if you've got the right file, you should see lines like the
>>> following:
>>> [Options]
>>> ; If FirewallCheck is set to 1, JAWS will attempt to check if a firewall
>>> ; application is running by prematurely triggering the firewall when
>>> ; JAWS starts. This setting is off by default and is ignored when JAWS
>>> ; is set to run at Windows startup.
>>> FirewallCheck=0
>>>
>>>
>>> note that some lines begin with semi colons in here, they are lines
>>> which
>>> are comments, and don't get processed by windows as valid compile lines,
>>> just like in script manager.
>>> this is handy to know if you wanna have multiple lines, and switch them
>>> on
>>> or off from being processed by placing semi colons at their far left
>>> hand
>>> ends.
>>>
>>> also note that sections in here, are denoted by being surrounded with
>>> brackets. like
>>> [options] [
>>>
>>> [Synthesizers]
>>>
>>> etc.
>>>
>>>
>>> 7. scroll down until you find the section called
>>> [Synthesizers]
>>> you should see in here, lines like:
>>> Synth1Name=eloq
>>> Synth1LongName=Eloquence Software
>>> Synth1Driver=eloq
>>>
>>> 8. now, presuming you are just using default settings and eloquence as
>>> your
>>> main synth, and thus utilizing synth1 settings here,
>>> just above the lines starting with synth2, make a blank line by hitting
>>> home
>>> on that line then hitting enter, then up arrowing again such that your
>>> over
>>> the blank line, just below the line
>>> Synth1Driver=eloq.
>>>
>>> 9. now what we need to do here is paste in a line like the following,
>>> but
>>> with the name of the sound card you want to force jaws to use after the
>>> words,
>>>
>>> Synth1Port=
>>>
>>> but exactly, as displayed in sounds and audio devices in control pannel,
>>> in
>>> the, "audio" tab.
>>>
>>> . given your message of what looks like three sound cards/audio devices
>>> your system currently has installed,, if you wanted jaws to use the
>>> sound
>>> max audio device for example, you might try the following line:
>>>
>>> Synth1Port=SoundMAX Integrated Digital HD Audio
>>>
>>>
>>> now this is assuming, that this is the way this audio device appears in
>>> the
>>> above place on your system, as taken from what you've posted about it.
>>> but
>>> I
>>> can't guarantee this will be the case of course.
>>>
>>> then hit control+s to save, and, as I say, insuring you have sighted
>>> help
>>> about, in case this fails totally and you lose speech, quit and restart
>>> jaws. and see if it now comes out the sound max digital audio device.
>>> I hope this helps.
>>>
>>>
>>> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 3:13 AM
>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Scratch Live Install
>>>
>>>
>>>> The hardware that you have to use with ScratchLive acts as the sound
>>>> card
>>>> for the music and the regular sound card handles Jaws.
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Donald Marang" <donald.marang@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 11:32 AM
>>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Scratch Live Install
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >I have not used this program or any other DJ software lately. I am
>>>> >just
>>>> > curious. If you regularly do this kind of work, wouldn't you want to
>>> use
>>>> > a
>>>> > second sound card anyway? I thought most blind DJs typically
>>>> > directed
>>>> > JAWS
>>>> > to another sound card and output so it is not heard mixed with the
>>> music.
>>>> > I
>>>> > would think a USB external sound card, and directing JAWS to
>>>> > headphones
>>>> > would be the typical solution. This should certainly eliminate the
>>>> > DJ
>>>> > program from distorting JAWS.
>>>> >
>>>> > Sorry if I am not understanding the purpose of this application or
>>>> > the
>>>> > situation.
>>>> >
>>>> > Don Marang
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>> > From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> > To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 1:05 AM
>>>> > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Scratch Live Install
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >> GianniP, what sound card or cards have you got installed on your
>>>> >> puter?
>>>> >> and
>>>> >> Ann, what have you got.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> >> From: "GianniP46" <giannip46@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> >> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 2:45 AM
>>>> >> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Scratch Live Install
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> I am using version 1.8.3 on a regular basis with no problems. I
>>>> >>> have
>>>> >>> started messing around with 1.9 and I cannot confirm the problem
>>>> >>> with
>>>> >> fuzzy
>>>> >>> speech.
>>>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> >>> From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> >>> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> >>> Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 8:16 PM
>>>> >>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Scratch Live Install
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> > Woopse. sorry Ann, did not see this before I sent my last.
>>>> >>> > Ann I don't know this program at all and will await other's
>>>> >>> > comments
>>>> >>> > who
>>>> >>> > know it. but, when you say below that you, "use the jaws key,",
>>>> >>> > do
>>> you
>>>> >>> > mean
>>>> >>> > you examine the screen with the jaws Cursor? and are you saying
>>>> >>> > you
>>>> >>> > cannot
>>>> >>> > read any text on the screen with that in this scratch live
>>>> >>> > software
>>>> >>> > program?
>>>> >>> > as far as the jaws sounding "off station," ... wow,
>>>> >>> > man that does seem very strange. I wish I could actually hear
>>>> >>> > what
>>>> >>> > your
>>>> >>> > talking about here. we can't have attachments to the list posts
>>>> >>> > can
>>>> >>> > we
>>>> >>> > everet? such that ann could send an audio clip of a "normal," and
>>>> >>> > "fuzzyness," of eloquence sound?
>>>> >>> > I presume you are using the default eloquence speech synthesizer
>>>> >>> > are
>>>> >>> > you
>>>> >>> > Ann? for remember that jaws is just the screenReader and can be
>>>> >>> > made
>>>> >>> > to
>>>> >>> > pipe
>>>> >>> > it's output through a number of differing synthesizers. Though
>>>> >>> > to
>>> me
>>>> >>> > eloquence is still the best quality for the negligible
>>>> >>> > performance
>>>> >> usage
>>>> >>> > it
>>>> >>> > seems to require.
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> > now I will tell you, that over the years, I have found something
>>> quite
>>>> >> odd
>>>> >>> > with eloquence and top end clarity on differing computer systems.
>>>> >>> > Glen
>>>> >>> > from
>>>> >>> > FS even called me up about it one day after a post I made to some
>>> list
>>>> >>> > about
>>>> >>> > it, and we talked about it for quite a while, seeking to get to
>>>> >>> > the
>>>> >> bottom
>>>> >>> > of what might be going on.
>>>> >>> > Being an audio man/musician myself, my claim was, that on my 98
>>>> >> machine,
>>>> >>> > fitted with an old creative labs sound blaster live platinum
>>>> >>> > sound
>>>> >>> > card
>>>> >> I
>>>> >>> > think it is,
>>>> >>> > eloquence had a certain beautiful top end clarity, that it simply
>>> did
>>>> >>> > absolutely not have, on my xp machine, under a sound max digital
>>> audio
>>>> >>> > sound
>>>> >>> > card.
>>>> >>> > And the other caveat was, that when window eyes was run on the xp
>>> box,
>>>> >>> > through it's own rendering of the eloquence synthesizer, all the
>>> same
>>>> >> nice
>>>> >>> > top end was present, which as I say, absolutely wasn't present,
>>>> >>> > when
>>>> >>> > running
>>>> >>> > jaws through it's eloquence output implementation.
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> > What I think we established, might, have been going on in the
>>>> >>> > end,
>>> was
>>>> >>> > that
>>>> >>> > the issue had something to do with the way the sound max drivers,
>>>> >> handled
>>>> >>> > the default 11khz sampling rate output, that the jaws rendering
>>>> >>> > of
>>> the
>>>> >>> > eloquence speech synthesizer, was presenting to it.
>>>> >>> > Glen concluded that he thought that my sound blaster sound card,
>>>> >>> > was
>>>> >>> > actually up sampling the eloquence output, to 22.5.khz, actually
>>>> >> seemingly
>>>> >>> > to allow for an increase, in the top end frequencies produced,
>>>> >>> > but
>>> did
>>>> >> so
>>>> >>> > using such a nice algorithm, that it also filtered out all the
>>>> >>> > undesirable,
>>>> >>> > fuzzy sounding, digital artifacts, called aliusing, that
>>>> >>> > naturally
>>>> >>> > tends
>>>> >>> > to
>>>> >>> > occur when this is done unless it's been very carefully filtered
>>>> >>> > to
>>>> >> remove
>>>> >>> > those.
>>>> >>> > whereas my sound max digital audio sound card, was leaving the
>>>> >>> > eloquence
>>>> >>> > alone at the 11.025 khz sampling rate, and just allowing it to be
>>>> >>> > output
>>>> >>> > at
>>>> >>> > that, without mmesing with it at all. hense the duller top end
>>>> >>> > when
>>>> >>> > compared
>>>> >>> > to that produced by both window eyes rendering of eloquence,
>>>> >>> > which
>>>> >>> > I
>>>> >> think
>>>> >>> > we determined might also have been up sampling the output to
>>>> >>> > 22khz,
>>>> >>> > and
>>>> >>> > jaws
>>>> >>> > through eloquence on the sound blaster box.
>>>> >>> > Now I'm afraid I don't really have time over the next couple
>>>> >>> > weeks,
>>> to
>>>> >> do
>>>> >>> > any more decent research about this,, would you say that the,
>>>> >> "fuzzyness,"
>>>> >>> > and, "off-station," sound of jaws/eloquence your seeking to
>>> describe,
>>>> >> is
>>>> >>> > a
>>>> >>> > drop in clarity/top end frequencies? or would you say it sounds
>>>> >>> > more
>>>> >> like
>>>> >>> > it's got added top end, but with kinda fuzzy ugly digital
>>>> >>> > artifacts
>>>> >> thrown
>>>> >>> > in on top.
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> > I'll nearly bet it's the latter, and if so, I'd hazard a guess
>>>> >>> > that
>>>> >>> > the
>>>> >>> > scratch live software may've put a driver in the chain, which is
>>>> >>> > forcing
>>>> >>> > everything that comes out of that sound card, to be up sampled to
>>>> >> 22.khz,
>>>> >>> > not expecting that anyone these days is going to have sounds on
>>> their
>>>> >>> > puters
>>>> >>> > of such a low grade 11khz sampling rate, but doing so without
>>> seeking
>>>> >>> > to
>>>> >>> > properly filter the aliusing from the sound? ... maybe! it's just
>>>> >>> > a
>>>> >> guess.
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>> >>> > From: "Ann Medlar" <amedlar1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> >>> > To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> >>> > Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 7:45 AM
>>>> >>> > Subject: [jawsscripts] Scratch Live Install
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> >> Don't know why original message did not show up when I replied
>>>> >>> >> to
>>>> >> Jeff's
>>>> >>> > message.
>>>> >>> >> Hi,
>>>> >>> >> When I press start key, p for programs enter on Serato enter on
>>>> >>> >> Scratch
>>>> >>> > Live
>>>> >>> >> it sounds like Jaws is off station. I press insert+F4 to unload
>>> and
>>>> >>> > restart
>>>> >>> >> Jaws again but Jaws still sounds like an untuned radio station.
>>> Fuzz
>>>> >>> > sound
>>>> >>> >> in Jaws only goes away when I reboot.
>>>> >>> >> When I installed Scratch Live I went directly to site and
>>> downloaded
>>>> >> and
>>>> >>> >> saved
>>>> >>> >> version 1.9 to my desktop. I then went to Serato folder which
>>>> >>> >> had
>>> a
>>>> >>> >> setup.exe, and a driver folder which contained Vista, Vista64,
>>>> >>> >> and
>>>> >>> >> XP
>>>> >>> > were
>>>> >>> >> sub folders. I went into XP, 57 sl, MP4, SL1, and SL3 were sub
>>>> >> folders.
>>>> >>> > I
>>>> >>> >> just used the setup.exe and installed using automatic rather
>>>> >>> >> than
>>>> >> custom.
>>>> >>> >> When I launch Scratch Live, alt key does not bring up menus. I
>>>> >>> >> use
>>>> >> Jaws
>>>> >>> > key
>>>> >>> >> and nothing speaks.
>>>> >>> >> Do you know if I need to install differently?
>>>> >>> >> Any help is appreciated.
>>>> >>> >> Ann
>>>> >>> >>
>>>> >>> >> __________
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>>>> >>> >
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>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>>
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>>>> >
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>>>> >
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