[jawsscripts] Re: Scratch Live Install
- From: "GianniP46" <giannip46@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 10:43:05 -0400
Yes I am because that is how you connect the turntables or CD players to
your laptop to D J with and control the MP3S. The info is all on the
website.
www.scratchlive.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 8:22 PM
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Scratch Live Install
> ok GianniP46. hang on a second here.
> are you saying that this scratch live thing requires another add-on piece
> of
> hardware/equipment to even run/be in the least useful for it's
> application?
> which contains it's own audio device in that hardware?
> Because, if this is the case, did you realize this ann? What exactly is
> the
> task your wanting to solve here with this program ann? we better find out
> if
> it is really what you want/need, before we go much further in trying to
> solve this one, re configuration of jaws into separate sound cards and the
> complexities of that one,
> ought not we?
>
> Ann. well, ... ok here's the complexity.
> jaws10, for the first time,
> has finally implemented a sound card/audio device, (they mean the same
> thing
> by the way,)
> manager, right into the utilities submenu from their main application
> context menu, if jaws is running in system tray.
> i.e. if it is, and if you have jaws 10, you could try hitting insert+j,
> then
> down arrowing to utilities, then right arrowing, and looking at the list
> of
> available ports in your available sound cards, and hitting enter on the
> one
> you'd like.
> I say, try, this, because, it's the very first itteration of this feature,
> and, well all I can tell you from my own personal experience having just
> tested it here on my system, is, it doesn't work for me!
> even closing and restarting jaws, even though it shows a checkmark in that
> menu when I go back in there, next to the sound card/audio device I want
> it
> to use, it's definitely not being output from that device!
>
> Now of course I don't know whether this is something in my local system
> here, I presume so for surely they couldn't release it if it plain didn't
> work, but, as I say, my experience today was here it didn't.
>
> So, there's a more techy "back end," way, of forcing jaws to use the
> soundcard you want it to use. and this does work for me under windows xp,
> it's what I use to make it happen. and it'll obviously also work for jaws
> versions earlier than 10.
>
> now when I say this, i add the important following caveats!
> 1. this is using windows xp. if you've got windows vista installed, which
> you may well have since you mention it as a new pc, then this might not
> work either! and you may have to get your kind friend around for you who
> suggests such gymnastics as she/he has, and ask them to help you out with
> that.
> 2. this is something in my view, that you don't wanna mess with alone,
> since
> if you mess it up, you might get yourself into a situation of having no
> speech output from jaws
> at all, if your speech synth is misdirected to some audio device that
> doesn't exist or whatever. So I caution you to have sighted help around
> before attempting any of this.
> The following instructions may thus only be valid for a windows xp
> installation.
>
> the back end way which we've done this for years is:
> 1. open my computer, go to program files, then freedom scientific, (i.e.
> not
> freedom scientific installation information,)
> then into the folder called jaws, (i.e. not "runTime jaws, just jaws,"
> then
> into the version of jaws you have installed, i.e. 9.0, 10.0 etc.
>
> 2. hit alt+v, then l, to insure your list is in an upDown configuration,
> and
> not in multiple columns across the screen.
>
> 3. hit alt+v, then i, for arrange icons, then see if, "name," identifies a
> check mark next to it. if it does, hit alt key to dismiss the menu and
> leave
> alone. if not, hit enter on name, such that the list is displayed in name
> order, and not some other order.
>
> 4. type the letters, j f, quickly, to jump to the files starting with
> those
> letters.
> now, here's where things can get kinda messy.
> hopefully, although windows doesn't ship this way by default, you have
> altered the settings such that you will hear the file extensions, i.e. the
> 3
> character part after the period in every file name, which helps denote to
> windows, what file type each file is.
> now there are multiple files in here beginning withi the letters jfw, you
> want the one called jfw.ini. now if you don't have extentions enabled,
> then
> you may be in the unpleasant situation of only being informed that all 3
> of
> the first files in alphabetical order, all speak simply as, jfw.
> However, they are not the same. in my list here, the first is jfw.enu, the
> second is jfw.exe, and the third, is the one you want, jfw.ini.
>
> 5. hit enter on jfw.ini, and hopefully it will have notepad as the
> default
> word processor to handle ini files,
> and open it in that program. if it comes up with a box indicating it
> doesn't
> know how to handle these, then try choosing that you want it to open in
> notepad. instructions how to do this beyond the scope of this document.
>
> 6. if you've got the right file, you should see lines like the following:
> [Options]
> ; If FirewallCheck is set to 1, JAWS will attempt to check if a firewall
> ; application is running by prematurely triggering the firewall when
> ; JAWS starts. This setting is off by default and is ignored when JAWS
> ; is set to run at Windows startup.
> FirewallCheck=0
>
>
> note that some lines begin with semi colons in here, they are lines which
> are comments, and don't get processed by windows as valid compile lines,
> just like in script manager.
> this is handy to know if you wanna have multiple lines, and switch them on
> or off from being processed by placing semi colons at their far left hand
> ends.
>
> also note that sections in here, are denoted by being surrounded with
> brackets. like
> [options] [
>
> [Synthesizers]
>
> etc.
>
>
> 7. scroll down until you find the section called
> [Synthesizers]
> you should see in here, lines like:
> Synth1Name=eloq
> Synth1LongName=Eloquence Software
> Synth1Driver=eloq
>
> 8. now, presuming you are just using default settings and eloquence as
> your
> main synth, and thus utilizing synth1 settings here,
> just above the lines starting with synth2, make a blank line by hitting
> home
> on that line then hitting enter, then up arrowing again such that your
> over
> the blank line, just below the line
> Synth1Driver=eloq.
>
> 9. now what we need to do here is paste in a line like the following, but
> with the name of the sound card you want to force jaws to use after the
> words,
>
> Synth1Port=
>
> but exactly, as displayed in sounds and audio devices in control pannel,
> in
> the, "audio" tab.
>
> . given your message of what looks like three sound cards/audio devices
> your system currently has installed,, if you wanted jaws to use the sound
> max audio device for example, you might try the following line:
>
> Synth1Port=SoundMAX Integrated Digital HD Audio
>
>
> now this is assuming, that this is the way this audio device appears in
> the
> above place on your system, as taken from what you've posted about it. but
> I
> can't guarantee this will be the case of course.
>
> then hit control+s to save, and, as I say, insuring you have sighted help
> about, in case this fails totally and you lose speech, quit and restart
> jaws. and see if it now comes out the sound max digital audio device.
> I hope this helps.
>
>
> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 3:13 AM
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Scratch Live Install
>
>
>> The hardware that you have to use with ScratchLive acts as the sound card
>> for the music and the regular sound card handles Jaws.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Donald Marang" <donald.marang@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 11:32 AM
>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Scratch Live Install
>>
>>
>> >I have not used this program or any other DJ software lately. I am just
>> > curious. If you regularly do this kind of work, wouldn't you want to
> use
>> > a
>> > second sound card anyway? I thought most blind DJs typically directed
>> > JAWS
>> > to another sound card and output so it is not heard mixed with the
> music.
>> > I
>> > would think a USB external sound card, and directing JAWS to headphones
>> > would be the typical solution. This should certainly eliminate the DJ
>> > program from distorting JAWS.
>> >
>> > Sorry if I am not understanding the purpose of this application or the
>> > situation.
>> >
>> > Don Marang
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 1:05 AM
>> > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Scratch Live Install
>> >
>> >
>> >> GianniP, what sound card or cards have you got installed on your
>> >> puter?
>> >> and
>> >> Ann, what have you got.
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "GianniP46" <giannip46@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 2:45 AM
>> >> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Scratch Live Install
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> I am using version 1.8.3 on a regular basis with no problems. I have
>> >>> started messing around with 1.9 and I cannot confirm the problem with
>> >> fuzzy
>> >>> speech.
>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >>> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >>> Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 8:16 PM
>> >>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Scratch Live Install
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> > Woopse. sorry Ann, did not see this before I sent my last.
>> >>> > Ann I don't know this program at all and will await other's
>> >>> > comments
>> >>> > who
>> >>> > know it. but, when you say below that you, "use the jaws key,", do
> you
>> >>> > mean
>> >>> > you examine the screen with the jaws Cursor? and are you saying
>> >>> > you
>> >>> > cannot
>> >>> > read any text on the screen with that in this scratch live software
>> >>> > program?
>> >>> > as far as the jaws sounding "off station," ... wow,
>> >>> > man that does seem very strange. I wish I could actually hear what
>> >>> > your
>> >>> > talking about here. we can't have attachments to the list posts
>> >>> > can
>> >>> > we
>> >>> > everet? such that ann could send an audio clip of a "normal," and
>> >>> > "fuzzyness," of eloquence sound?
>> >>> > I presume you are using the default eloquence speech synthesizer
>> >>> > are
>> >>> > you
>> >>> > Ann? for remember that jaws is just the screenReader and can be
>> >>> > made
>> >>> > to
>> >>> > pipe
>> >>> > it's output through a number of differing synthesizers. Though to
> me
>> >>> > eloquence is still the best quality for the negligible performance
>> >> usage
>> >>> > it
>> >>> > seems to require.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > now I will tell you, that over the years, I have found something
> quite
>> >> odd
>> >>> > with eloquence and top end clarity on differing computer systems.
>> >>> > Glen
>> >>> > from
>> >>> > FS even called me up about it one day after a post I made to some
> list
>> >>> > about
>> >>> > it, and we talked about it for quite a while, seeking to get to the
>> >> bottom
>> >>> > of what might be going on.
>> >>> > Being an audio man/musician myself, my claim was, that on my 98
>> >> machine,
>> >>> > fitted with an old creative labs sound blaster live platinum sound
>> >>> > card
>> >> I
>> >>> > think it is,
>> >>> > eloquence had a certain beautiful top end clarity, that it simply
> did
>> >>> > absolutely not have, on my xp machine, under a sound max digital
> audio
>> >>> > sound
>> >>> > card.
>> >>> > And the other caveat was, that when window eyes was run on the xp
> box,
>> >>> > through it's own rendering of the eloquence synthesizer, all the
> same
>> >> nice
>> >>> > top end was present, which as I say, absolutely wasn't present,
>> >>> > when
>> >>> > running
>> >>> > jaws through it's eloquence output implementation.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > What I think we established, might, have been going on in the end,
> was
>> >>> > that
>> >>> > the issue had something to do with the way the sound max drivers,
>> >> handled
>> >>> > the default 11khz sampling rate output, that the jaws rendering of
> the
>> >>> > eloquence speech synthesizer, was presenting to it.
>> >>> > Glen concluded that he thought that my sound blaster sound card,
>> >>> > was
>> >>> > actually up sampling the eloquence output, to 22.5.khz, actually
>> >> seemingly
>> >>> > to allow for an increase, in the top end frequencies produced, but
> did
>> >> so
>> >>> > using such a nice algorithm, that it also filtered out all the
>> >>> > undesirable,
>> >>> > fuzzy sounding, digital artifacts, called aliusing, that naturally
>> >>> > tends
>> >>> > to
>> >>> > occur when this is done unless it's been very carefully filtered to
>> >> remove
>> >>> > those.
>> >>> > whereas my sound max digital audio sound card, was leaving the
>> >>> > eloquence
>> >>> > alone at the 11.025 khz sampling rate, and just allowing it to be
>> >>> > output
>> >>> > at
>> >>> > that, without mmesing with it at all. hense the duller top end when
>> >>> > compared
>> >>> > to that produced by both window eyes rendering of eloquence, which
>> >>> > I
>> >> think
>> >>> > we determined might also have been up sampling the output to 22khz,
>> >>> > and
>> >>> > jaws
>> >>> > through eloquence on the sound blaster box.
>> >>> > Now I'm afraid I don't really have time over the next couple weeks,
> to
>> >> do
>> >>> > any more decent research about this,, would you say that the,
>> >> "fuzzyness,"
>> >>> > and, "off-station," sound of jaws/eloquence your seeking to
> describe,
>> >> is
>> >>> > a
>> >>> > drop in clarity/top end frequencies? or would you say it sounds
>> >>> > more
>> >> like
>> >>> > it's got added top end, but with kinda fuzzy ugly digital artifacts
>> >> thrown
>> >>> > in on top.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > I'll nearly bet it's the latter, and if so, I'd hazard a guess that
>> >>> > the
>> >>> > scratch live software may've put a driver in the chain, which is
>> >>> > forcing
>> >>> > everything that comes out of that sound card, to be up sampled to
>> >> 22.khz,
>> >>> > not expecting that anyone these days is going to have sounds on
> their
>> >>> > puters
>> >>> > of such a low grade 11khz sampling rate, but doing so without
> seeking
>> >>> > to
>> >>> > properly filter the aliusing from the sound? ... maybe! it's just a
>> >> guess.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> > From: "Ann Medlar" <amedlar1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >>> > To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >>> > Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 7:45 AM
>> >>> > Subject: [jawsscripts] Scratch Live Install
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >> Don't know why original message did not show up when I replied to
>> >> Jeff's
>> >>> > message.
>> >>> >> Hi,
>> >>> >> When I press start key, p for programs enter on Serato enter on
>> >>> >> Scratch
>> >>> > Live
>> >>> >> it sounds like Jaws is off station. I press insert+F4 to unload
> and
>> >>> > restart
>> >>> >> Jaws again but Jaws still sounds like an untuned radio station.
> Fuzz
>> >>> > sound
>> >>> >> in Jaws only goes away when I reboot.
>> >>> >> When I installed Scratch Live I went directly to site and
> downloaded
>> >> and
>> >>> >> saved
>> >>> >> version 1.9 to my desktop. I then went to Serato folder which
>> >>> >> had
> a
>> >>> >> setup.exe, and a driver folder which contained Vista, Vista64,
>> >>> >> and
>> >>> >> XP
>> >>> > were
>> >>> >> sub folders. I went into XP, 57 sl, MP4, SL1, and SL3 were sub
>> >> folders.
>> >>> > I
>> >>> >> just used the setup.exe and installed using automatic rather than
>> >> custom.
>> >>> >> When I launch Scratch Live, alt key does not bring up menus. I
>> >>> >> use
>> >> Jaws
>> >>> > key
>> >>> >> and nothing speaks.
>> >>> >> Do you know if I need to install differently?
>> >>> >> Any help is appreciated.
>> >>> >> Ann
>> >>> >>
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