[haiku] Re: Haiku User Groups
- From: Nickos V <tonestone57@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <haiku@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 19:10:55 -0600
> Nickos V wrote:
> > Suggestions:
> >
> > 1) different background (and menu?) color(s)
> > 2) noticeable disclaimer saying not official Haiku site and where to
> > locate
> > official site
> > 3) Use HAIKU in plain text, not trademark logo with leaves
> > 4) Permit use of theme on case by case basis/approval by Haiku Inc.
> > 5) Have HUG accept terms & conditions of proper use - with Haiku
> > allowed to revoke use at any time or for misuse.
> > 6) Not profit from Haiku logo. Should only allow official Haiku
> > site to use the trademark Haiku logo. Using Haiku logo makes it look
> > very much like Haiku's site and official.
Jorge wrote:
> If we had a HUG policy that defined the criteria for becoming a
> recognized user group, and any given HUG met that criteria, then I don't
> see what the problem is with allowing them to have the same official
> look. AFAICT, that's the approach that Ubuntu and Fedora take, and it
> seems to work well for them.
Jorge, I fully understand what you are trying to say. You want sametheme for
every User Group to give impression of global and unifiedcommunity. ie: we
stand as one in the world
But what would worry me about having exact official look to Haiku is:1)
Community would believe HUGs are officially representing Haiku.Which is not the
case.2) Haiku would have NO control over them - they could do and saywhatever
they wanted.That means: a) HUG could misrepresent Haiku, with or without
intentb) HUG could cause trouble (legal issue) which may affect Haiku directly
afterwardsc) they could profit (heavily?) from using Haiku logo ( I prefer only
Official Haiku get money from merchandise with Haiku logo ). I donot mind if
HUGs use HAIKU in plain text, not logo, to sell stuff.
There needs to be some level of differentiation between Haiku siteand the HUGs
and what is or is not allowed with Haiku logo. It is debatable to what degree
of difference there should be. ie: I noticedtwo other posts that said just
changing the background color might beenough of a change for the theme. I
think it should go further than that, like what I listed above.
> In the same way that there could be a "Powered by Haiku" badge for
> hardware or software using Haiku, we could make sure that the HUGs
> comply with the trademark policy in their websites by creating and
> providing graphic signatures specifically for compliant user groups.
> This would actually reinforce the brand (rather that dilute it), and it
> would give the project a point of control, as it would be the project
> who provides the artwork, so nothing is left to the open interpretation
> of the third party.
If logo were allowed, then I would suggest creating different or addingto Haiku
logo for HUGs to set them apart.
You still would not be able tocontrol content or decisions or direction or
information. You wouldhave to *trust* that each HUG acted in a responsible
manner and thatno legal recourse could be taken against Haiku for HUG's
actions.Think of it this way. You have a brand (ie: Apple) and are allowing
3rd parties to use your brand. What would you expect from them? What issues
could they cause you? What could go wrong? How would this affect your brand?
Do you want users to think they officiallyrepresent your brand?, etc., etc.
Things may work out rosy but you just never know and should be prepared for and
consider every possible outcome. Jorge, if things go bad, for one reason or
another, then will you or Haiku be ready to deal with the consequences?
I have no issue with HUGs looking somewhat like Haiku site, to anextent, but
would not want them to look exactly the same. Plus, providing a few
rules/restrictions to make them behave and ensure they act properly is good
thing too.
Just my personal stance on this issue and everyone else will have to decide for
themselves what they believe will work and is acceptable.Jorge, I know how you
feel about this - you're position is clear to mebut I feel a little different
about it - maybe others will feel like you?
It is good to discuss and state your opinion on the list but at the endof the
day, I believe Haiku Inc. makes the final decision for this stuff (from my
understanding - not me or you :-) ). Sooner or later you will have to talk to
them about it and work it out with them. I only wanted to get my position out
there. (ie: I have done my part andwill be up to Haiku Inc. to decide what is
right and fair ). Take care.
@FrançoisIf the HUGs were to use the trademark then I would expect them to
support Haiku OS & developers, in one way or another, but getting something in
writing never hurts either. :-)
Regards,
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