Can you set bookmarks? Can you get a global navigation view of the book, as is possible with VictorReader software? Just curious. Take care. --le ----- Original Message ----- From: "david poehlman" <david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 3:16 PM Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format. > on the third point, you are not correct. You can move through the book by > chapter, page and some other nav chunks. > > Johnnie Apple Seed > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@xxxxxxxxxx> > To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 3:13 PM > Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format. > > > Hi Will, > > As I understand it, TTS is extremely limited in at least the following > ways: > 1. > Some books don't work with it. > 2. > Speech quality is sufficiently poor as to bring its practicality in to > question. > 3. > It is just a straight read, with no capability to navigate through a book. > > Am I correct on these three points? > > Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications! > Technology consultant/instructor, network/systems administrator! > A+, CCNA, Network+! > Check out high quality telecommunications services at http://ld.net/?nu7i > All the best to coalition forces carrying out Operation Iraqi Freedom! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Will Pearson" <will-pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 1:06 PM > Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format. > > >> Darrell; >> >> At the end of the day I'm an advocate for accessibility too, the number >> of >> bugs I've reported to Microsoft regarding accessibility of their >> products, >> especially Visual Studio, stands testament to that. However, I believe >> breaking the law is one step too far, especially where there already >> exists >> a legal method of making something accessible, in this case the TTS >> plug-in >> for Reader. Whilst it may not be my method of choice, it is legal and >> does >> afford accessibility to the .lit format. >> >> Will >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@xxxxxxxxxx> >> To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 7:45 PM >> Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format. >> >> >>> Hi David, >>> >>> OK. Possibly true. When it comes to accessibility, I'm not afraid to >> take >>> liberties with that definition. If I got in to trouble over it, I would >> not >>> hesitate to use my blindness as a media/public relations tool. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications! >>> Technology consultant/instructor, network/systems administrator! >>> A+, CCNA, Network+! >>> Check out high quality telecommunications services at >>> http://ld.net/?nu7i >>> All the best to coalition forces carrying out Operation Iraqi Freedom! >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "david poehlman" <david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 12:42 PM >>> Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format. >>> >>> >>> > You need to read the drm documentation carefully. You cannot do >> anything >>> > you want with a copy of a book that you purchase that is in electronic >>> > form >>> > such as reverse engineer it. The book in this instance is a piece of >>> > software and in order to accomplish what you want, you'd have to >>> > reverse >>> > engineer it. >>> > >>> > Johnnie Apple Seed >>> > >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@xxxxxxxxxx> >>> > To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> > Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 2:07 PM >>> > Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format. >>> > >>> > >>> > Hi Will, >>> > >>> > Hmmm, well, legally, if I purchase a Microsoft E-book file, I can do >>> > whatever it is I need to do in order to gain access, for my own >>> > personal >>> > use. What probably is not legal is for me to proceed to distribute >>> > that >>> > file to others. I find it amazing that MS Reader does not permit >>> > printing. >>> > Sighted people love to take on-screen info and send it to our printers >> at >>> > work right away. My employer spends lots of money on consumables for >>> > printers! >>> > >>> > Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications! >>> > Technology consultant/instructor, network/systems administrator! >>> > A+, CCNA, Network+! >>> > Check out high quality telecommunications services at >> http://ld.net/?nu7i >>> > All the best to coalition forces carrying out Operation Iraqi Freedom! >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: "Will Pearson" <will-pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> > To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> > Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 11:51 AM >>> > Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format. >>> > >>> > >>> >> Hi; >>> >> >>> >> AFAIK, it doesn't allow printing. As an aside, I doubt the >>> >> legitimacy >> of >>> >> using OCR seeing as the TTS plug-in is provided to make Reader >>> >> accessible. >>> >> I'm not a legal expert, but would imagine that this would only be >>> >> permissible in situations where the TTS plug-in offered no output, >>> >> such >>> >> as >>> >> .lit files composed of scanned images. I think this is slightly >>> >> different >>> >> in the UK, where there is no law governing accessibility of eBooks, >>> >> and >>> >> instead it's left up to the old laws governing photocopying of books, >> in >>> >> which OCR, or at least scanning, of a limited portion of a book is >>> >> allowed. >>> >> >>> >> I am looking into the possibility of getting reader to work with at >> least >>> >> one of the popular screen readers with a friend from Microsoft. >>> >> Hopefully >>> >> something will come out of this. >>> >> >>> >> Will >>> >> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >> From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@xxxxxxxxxx> >>> >> To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> >> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 6:12 PM >>> >> Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>> Hi Will and all, >>> >>> >>> >>> Does MS Reader permit you to print pages from books? If so, has >> anyone >>> >>> tried this with the virtual printer facilities of K1000 or OpenBook? >>> >>> >>> >>> Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications! >>> >>> Technology consultant/instructor, network/systems administrator! >>> >>> A+, CCNA, Network+! >>> >>> Check out high quality telecommunications services at >>> >>> http://ld.net/?nu7i >>> >>> All the best to coalition forces carrying out Operation Iraqi >>> >>> Freedom! >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> From: "Will Pearson" <will-pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> >>> To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> >>> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 9:03 AM >>> >>> Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > Hi; >>> >>> > >>> >>> > I wouldn't like to say at the moment. The legality of this is >> unsure. >>> >> In >>> >>> > the U.S. legislation exists that states it's legal to convert >>> >>> > ebooks >>> >>> > to >>> >>> > another format if they are inaccessible, but the big question is, >>> >>> > by >>> >>> > providing a TTS plug-in for Reader, is the format considered >>> >>> > accessible? >>> >>> > I >>> >>> > know in the UK, you can use OCR to store only a part of a book on >> your >>> >>> > computer, and this prohibits distribution or alteration of the >>> >>> > content. >>> >>> > Outside of the UK and US I don't know anything about the legality >>> >>> > of >>> >> this >>> >>> > sort of situation, and I wouldn't like to offer advice that may >>> >>> > mean >>> >>> > you >>> >>> > break the law and are subsequently open to prosicution. >>> >>> > >>> >>> > I'm currently discussing the point with some folk from MS UK, who >>> >>> > I >>> >>> > suspect, >>> >>> > being the format vendor, are in a position to make a judgement on >>> >>> > th >> e >>> >>> > legality. I'll post more when I hear something from MS. >>> >>> > >>> >>> > Thanks, >>> >>> > >>> >>> > Will >>> >>> > Microsoft MVP (Visual Studio/VC++) >>> >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> > From: "Nektarios Mallas" <nmallas@xxxxxxxxx> >>> >>> > To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> >>> > Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 3:47 PM >>> >>> > Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit >>> >>> > format. >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> >> Thanks for this. >>> >>> >> Do you know if there is any other way to extract the text from >>> >>> >> the >>> >> *.lit >>> >>> >> file and read it in other standard programs? >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> Nektarios. >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> -----Original Message----- >>> >>> >> From: guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On >>> >>> >> Behalf >>> >>> >> Of Will Pearson >>> >>> >> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 3:55 PM >>> >>> >> To: guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> >>> >> Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit >> format. >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> Hi; >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> Whilst MS Reader isn't supported by any of the screen readers, >> there >>> >>> >> is >>> >>> >> a plug in. Microsoft have provided a text to speech plug in for >>> >>> >> Reader >>> >>> >> that will read aloud the document. It's based on MS SAPI, and >>> >>> >> uses >>> >>> >> the >>> >>> >> standard SAPI synth that ships with Windows. You can find a >> download >>> >>> >> for this from the Reader downloads page. >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> Will >>> >>> >> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> >> From: "Nektarios Mallas" <nmallas@xxxxxxxxx> >>> >>> >> To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> >>> >> Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 6:39 AM >>> >>> >> Subject: [guispeak] Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format. >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> > Hello list. >>> >>> >> > Is Microsoft ebook reader accessible by screen readers? Is >>> >>> >> > there >>> >>> >> > any >>> >>> >> > other way to access a *.lit file and extract the text from it >>> >>> >> > so >>> >>> >> > you >>> >>> >> > can read it with standard applications such as wordpad? 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