Hi David, If a person who is deaf-blind or who has a significant hearing impairment in addition to blindness works for a government agency, is Microsoft's "solution" covered by 508? Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications! Technology consultant/instructor, network/systems administrator! A+, CCNA, Network+! Check out high quality telecommunications services at http://ld.net/?nu7i All the best to coalition forces carrying out Operation Iraqi Freedom! ----- Original Message ----- From: "david poehlman" <david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 2:09 PM Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format. > We raised this with microsoft before they put the thing out and they went > ahead with it anyway. > > Johnnie Apple Seed > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Will Pearson" <will-pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 3:59 PM > Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format. > > > This is one case in which I would consider there may be true > inaccessibility. If someone could not use any other physical output > medium > other than Braille, excluding by reasons of choice, then they are being > denied access to the MS Reader interface, and subsequently the .lit > format. > > I'll pass this on to Microsoft. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "david poehlman" <david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 8:15 PM > Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format. > > >> The sad thing is that there is no way to get braille of the lit files >> even >> with the plug in. >> >> Johnnie Apple Seed >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "david poehlman" <david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 3:11 PM >> Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format. >> >> >> If I were the presiding prosecutor, you'd be procecuted as would any >> other >> person violating drm. >> >> Johnnie Apple Seed >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@xxxxxxxxxx> >> To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 2:45 PM >> Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format. >> >> >> Hi David, >> >> OK. Possibly true. When it comes to accessibility, I'm not afraid to > take >> liberties with that definition. If I got in to trouble over it, I would > not >> hesitate to use my blindness as a media/public relations tool. >> >> >> >> >> Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications! >> Technology consultant/instructor, network/systems administrator! >> A+, CCNA, Network+! >> Check out high quality telecommunications services at http://ld.net/?nu7i >> All the best to coalition forces carrying out Operation Iraqi Freedom! >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "david poehlman" <david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 12:42 PM >> Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format. >> >> >> > You need to read the drm documentation carefully. You cannot do > anything >> > you want with a copy of a book that you purchase that is in electronic >> > form >> > such as reverse engineer it. The book in this instance is a piece of >> > software and in order to accomplish what you want, you'd have to >> > reverse >> > engineer it. >> > >> > Johnnie Apple Seed >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@xxxxxxxxxx> >> > To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> > Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 2:07 PM >> > Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format. >> > >> > >> > Hi Will, >> > >> > Hmmm, well, legally, if I purchase a Microsoft E-book file, I can do >> > whatever it is I need to do in order to gain access, for my own >> > personal >> > use. What probably is not legal is for me to proceed to distribute >> > that >> > file to others. I find it amazing that MS Reader does not permit >> > printing. >> > Sighted people love to take on-screen info and send it to our printers > at >> > work right away. My employer spends lots of money on consumables for >> > printers! >> > >> > Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications! >> > Technology consultant/instructor, network/systems administrator! >> > A+, CCNA, Network+! >> > Check out high quality telecommunications services at > http://ld.net/?nu7i >> > All the best to coalition forces carrying out Operation Iraqi Freedom! >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Will Pearson" <will-pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> > To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> > Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 11:51 AM >> > Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format. >> > >> > >> >> Hi; >> >> >> >> AFAIK, it doesn't allow printing. As an aside, I doubt the legitimacy > of >> >> using OCR seeing as the TTS plug-in is provided to make Reader >> >> accessible. >> >> I'm not a legal expert, but would imagine that this would only be >> >> permissible in situations where the TTS plug-in offered no output, >> >> such >> >> as >> >> .lit files composed of scanned images. I think this is slightly >> >> different >> >> in the UK, where there is no law governing accessibility of eBooks, >> >> and >> >> instead it's left up to the old laws governing photocopying of books, > in >> >> which OCR, or at least scanning, of a limited portion of a book is >> >> allowed. >> >> >> >> I am looking into the possibility of getting reader to work with at > least >> >> one of the popular screen readers with a friend from Microsoft. >> >> Hopefully >> >> something will come out of this. >> >> >> >> Will >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@xxxxxxxxxx> >> >> To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> >> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 6:12 PM >> >> Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format. >> >> >> >> >> >>> Hi Will and all, >> >>> >> >>> Does MS Reader permit you to print pages from books? If so, has > anyone >> >>> tried this with the virtual printer facilities of K1000 or OpenBook? >> >>> >> >>> Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications! >> >>> Technology consultant/instructor, network/systems administrator! >> >>> A+, CCNA, Network+! >> >>> Check out high quality telecommunications services at >> >>> http://ld.net/?nu7i >> >>> All the best to coalition forces carrying out Operation Iraqi >> >>> Freedom! >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>> From: "Will Pearson" <will-pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> >>> To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> >>> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 9:03 AM >> >>> Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> > Hi; >> >>> > >> >>> > I wouldn't like to say at the moment. The legality of this is > unsure. >> >> In >> >>> > the U.S. legislation exists that states it's legal to convert >> >>> > ebooks >> >>> > to >> >>> > another format if they are inaccessible, but the big question is, >> >>> > by >> >>> > providing a TTS plug-in for Reader, is the format considered >> >>> > accessible? >> >>> > I >> >>> > know in the UK, you can use OCR to store only a part of a book on > your >> >>> > computer, and this prohibits distribution or alteration of the >> >>> > content. >> >>> > Outside of the UK and US I don't know anything about the legality >> >>> > of >> >> this >> >>> > sort of situation, and I wouldn't like to offer advice that may >> >>> > mean >> >>> > you >> >>> > break the law and are subsequently open to prosicution. >> >>> > >> >>> > I'm currently discussing the point with some folk from MS UK, who I >> >>> > suspect, >> >>> > being the format vendor, are in a position to make a judgement on > the >> >>> > legality. I'll post more when I hear something from MS. >> >>> > >> >>> > Thanks, >> >>> > >> >>> > Will >> >>> > Microsoft MVP (Visual Studio/VC++) >> >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >> >>> > From: "Nektarios Mallas" <nmallas@xxxxxxxxx> >> >>> > To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> >>> > Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 3:47 PM >> >>> > Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit >> >>> > format. >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> >> Thanks for this. >> >>> >> Do you know if there is any other way to extract the text from the >> >> *.lit >> >>> >> file and read it in other standard programs? >> >>> >> >> >>> >> Nektarios. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> -----Original Message----- >> >>> >> From: guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On >> >>> >> Behalf >> >>> >> Of Will Pearson >> >>> >> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 3:55 PM >> >>> >> To: guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> >>> >> Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit > format. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> Hi; >> >>> >> >> >>> >> Whilst MS Reader isn't supported by any of the screen readers, > there >> >>> >> is >> >>> >> a plug in. Microsoft have provided a text to speech plug in for >> >>> >> Reader >> >>> >> that will read aloud the document. It's based on MS SAPI, and >> >>> >> uses >> >>> >> the >> >>> >> standard SAPI synth that ships with Windows. You can find a > download >> >>> >> for this from the Reader downloads page. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> Will >> >>> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>> >> From: "Nektarios Mallas" <nmallas@xxxxxxxxx> >> >>> >> To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> >>> >> Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 6:39 AM >> >>> >> Subject: [guispeak] Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> > Hello list. >> >>> >> > Is Microsoft ebook reader accessible by screen readers? Is there >> >>> >> > any >> >>> >> > other way to access a *.lit file and extract the text from it so >> >>> >> > you >> >>> >> > can read it with standard applications such as wordpad? 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