Hi David, OK. Possibly true. When it comes to accessibility, I'm not afraid to take liberties with that definition. If I got in to trouble over it, I would not hesitate to use my blindness as a media/public relations tool. Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications! Technology consultant/instructor, network/systems administrator! A+, CCNA, Network+! Check out high quality telecommunications services at http://ld.net/?nu7i All the best to coalition forces carrying out Operation Iraqi Freedom! ----- Original Message ----- From: "david poehlman" <david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 12:42 PM Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format. > You need to read the drm documentation carefully. You cannot do anything > you want with a copy of a book that you purchase that is in electronic > form > such as reverse engineer it. The book in this instance is a piece of > software and in order to accomplish what you want, you'd have to reverse > engineer it. > > Johnnie Apple Seed > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@xxxxxxxxxx> > To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 2:07 PM > Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format. > > > Hi Will, > > Hmmm, well, legally, if I purchase a Microsoft E-book file, I can do > whatever it is I need to do in order to gain access, for my own personal > use. What probably is not legal is for me to proceed to distribute that > file to others. I find it amazing that MS Reader does not permit > printing. > Sighted people love to take on-screen info and send it to our printers at > work right away. My employer spends lots of money on consumables for > printers! > > Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications! > Technology consultant/instructor, network/systems administrator! > A+, CCNA, Network+! > Check out high quality telecommunications services at http://ld.net/?nu7i > All the best to coalition forces carrying out Operation Iraqi Freedom! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Will Pearson" <will-pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 11:51 AM > Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format. > > >> Hi; >> >> AFAIK, it doesn't allow printing. As an aside, I doubt the legitimacy of >> using OCR seeing as the TTS plug-in is provided to make Reader >> accessible. >> I'm not a legal expert, but would imagine that this would only be >> permissible in situations where the TTS plug-in offered no output, such >> as >> .lit files composed of scanned images. I think this is slightly >> different >> in the UK, where there is no law governing accessibility of eBooks, and >> instead it's left up to the old laws governing photocopying of books, in >> which OCR, or at least scanning, of a limited portion of a book is >> allowed. >> >> I am looking into the possibility of getting reader to work with at least >> one of the popular screen readers with a friend from Microsoft. >> Hopefully >> something will come out of this. >> >> Will >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@xxxxxxxxxx> >> To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 6:12 PM >> Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format. >> >> >>> Hi Will and all, >>> >>> Does MS Reader permit you to print pages from books? If so, has anyone >>> tried this with the virtual printer facilities of K1000 or OpenBook? >>> >>> Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications! >>> Technology consultant/instructor, network/systems administrator! >>> A+, CCNA, Network+! >>> Check out high quality telecommunications services at >>> http://ld.net/?nu7i >>> All the best to coalition forces carrying out Operation Iraqi Freedom! >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Will Pearson" <will-pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 9:03 AM >>> Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format. >>> >>> >>> > Hi; >>> > >>> > I wouldn't like to say at the moment. The legality of this is unsure. >> In >>> > the U.S. legislation exists that states it's legal to convert ebooks >>> > to >>> > another format if they are inaccessible, but the big question is, by >>> > providing a TTS plug-in for Reader, is the format considered >>> > accessible? >>> > I >>> > know in the UK, you can use OCR to store only a part of a book on your >>> > computer, and this prohibits distribution or alteration of the >>> > content. >>> > Outside of the UK and US I don't know anything about the legality of >> this >>> > sort of situation, and I wouldn't like to offer advice that may mean >>> > you >>> > break the law and are subsequently open to prosicution. >>> > >>> > I'm currently discussing the point with some folk from MS UK, who I >>> > suspect, >>> > being the format vendor, are in a position to make a judgement on the >>> > legality. I'll post more when I hear something from MS. >>> > >>> > Thanks, >>> > >>> > Will >>> > Microsoft MVP (Visual Studio/VC++) >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: "Nektarios Mallas" <nmallas@xxxxxxxxx> >>> > To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> > Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 3:47 PM >>> > Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format. >>> > >>> > >>> >> Thanks for this. >>> >> Do you know if there is any other way to extract the text from the >> *.lit >>> >> file and read it in other standard programs? >>> >> >>> >> Nektarios. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> -----Original Message----- >>> >> From: guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On >>> >> Behalf >>> >> Of Will Pearson >>> >> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 3:55 PM >>> >> To: guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> >> Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Hi; >>> >> >>> >> Whilst MS Reader isn't supported by any of the screen readers, there >>> >> is >>> >> a plug in. Microsoft have provided a text to speech plug in for >>> >> Reader >>> >> that will read aloud the document. It's based on MS SAPI, and uses >>> >> the >>> >> standard SAPI synth that ships with Windows. You can find a download >>> >> for this from the Reader downloads page. >>> >> >>> >> Will >>> >> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >> From: "Nektarios Mallas" <nmallas@xxxxxxxxx> >>> >> To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> >> Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 6:39 AM >>> >> Subject: [guispeak] Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> > Hello list. >>> >> > Is Microsoft ebook reader accessible by screen readers? Is there >>> >> > any >>> >> > other way to access a *.lit file and extract the text from it so >>> >> > you >>> >> > can read it with standard applications such as wordpad? 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