[guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format.
- From: "Will Pearson" <will-pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 20:06:19 -0000
Darrell;
At the end of the day I'm an advocate for accessibility too, the number of
bugs I've reported to Microsoft regarding accessibility of their products,
especially Visual Studio, stands testament to that. However, I believe
breaking the law is one step too far, especially where there already exists
a legal method of making something accessible, in this case the TTS plug-in
for Reader. Whilst it may not be my method of choice, it is legal and does
afford accessibility to the .lit format.
Will
----- Original Message -----
From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 7:45 PM
Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format.
> Hi David,
>
> OK. Possibly true. When it comes to accessibility, I'm not afraid to
take
> liberties with that definition. If I got in to trouble over it, I would
not
> hesitate to use my blindness as a media/public relations tool.
>
>
>
>
> Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications!
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "david poehlman" <david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 12:42 PM
> Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format.
>
>
> > You need to read the drm documentation carefully. You cannot do
anything
> > you want with a copy of a book that you purchase that is in electronic
> > form
> > such as reverse engineer it. The book in this instance is a piece of
> > software and in order to accomplish what you want, you'd have to reverse
> > engineer it.
> >
> > Johnnie Apple Seed
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 2:07 PM
> > Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format.
> >
> >
> > Hi Will,
> >
> > Hmmm, well, legally, if I purchase a Microsoft E-book file, I can do
> > whatever it is I need to do in order to gain access, for my own personal
> > use. What probably is not legal is for me to proceed to distribute that
> > file to others. I find it amazing that MS Reader does not permit
> > printing.
> > Sighted people love to take on-screen info and send it to our printers
at
> > work right away. My employer spends lots of money on consumables for
> > printers!
> >
> > Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications!
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http://ld.net/?nu7i
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> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Will Pearson" <will-pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 11:51 AM
> > Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format.
> >
> >
> >> Hi;
> >>
> >> AFAIK, it doesn't allow printing. As an aside, I doubt the legitimacy
of
> >> using OCR seeing as the TTS plug-in is provided to make Reader
> >> accessible.
> >> I'm not a legal expert, but would imagine that this would only be
> >> permissible in situations where the TTS plug-in offered no output, such
> >> as
> >> .lit files composed of scanned images. I think this is slightly
> >> different
> >> in the UK, where there is no law governing accessibility of eBooks, and
> >> instead it's left up to the old laws governing photocopying of books,
in
> >> which OCR, or at least scanning, of a limited portion of a book is
> >> allowed.
> >>
> >> I am looking into the possibility of getting reader to work with at
least
> >> one of the popular screen readers with a friend from Microsoft.
> >> Hopefully
> >> something will come out of this.
> >>
> >> Will
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 6:12 PM
> >> Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format.
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hi Will and all,
> >>>
> >>> Does MS Reader permit you to print pages from books? If so, has
anyone
> >>> tried this with the virtual printer facilities of K1000 or OpenBook?
> >>>
> >>> Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications!
> >>> Technology consultant/instructor, network/systems administrator!
> >>> A+, CCNA, Network+!
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> >>> All the best to coalition forces carrying out Operation Iraqi Freedom!
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Will Pearson" <will-pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 9:03 AM
> >>> Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> > Hi;
> >>> >
> >>> > I wouldn't like to say at the moment. The legality of this is
unsure.
> >> In
> >>> > the U.S. legislation exists that states it's legal to convert ebooks
> >>> > to
> >>> > another format if they are inaccessible, but the big question is, by
> >>> > providing a TTS plug-in for Reader, is the format considered
> >>> > accessible?
> >>> > I
> >>> > know in the UK, you can use OCR to store only a part of a book on
your
> >>> > computer, and this prohibits distribution or alteration of the
> >>> > content.
> >>> > Outside of the UK and US I don't know anything about the legality of
> >> this
> >>> > sort of situation, and I wouldn't like to offer advice that may mean
> >>> > you
> >>> > break the law and are subsequently open to prosicution.
> >>> >
> >>> > I'm currently discussing the point with some folk from MS UK, who I
> >>> > suspect,
> >>> > being the format vendor, are in a position to make a judgement on th
e
> >>> > legality. I'll post more when I hear something from MS.
> >>> >
> >>> > Thanks,
> >>> >
> >>> > Will
> >>> > Microsoft MVP (Visual Studio/VC++)
> >>> > ----- Original Message -----
> >>> > From: "Nektarios Mallas" <nmallas@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>> > To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> > Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 3:47 PM
> >>> > Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >> Thanks for this.
> >>> >> Do you know if there is any other way to extract the text from the
> >> *.lit
> >>> >> file and read it in other standard programs?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Nektarios.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> -----Original Message-----
> >>> >> From: guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> >>> >> Behalf
> >>> >> Of Will Pearson
> >>> >> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 3:55 PM
> >>> >> To: guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> >> Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit
format.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Hi;
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Whilst MS Reader isn't supported by any of the screen readers,
there
> >>> >> is
> >>> >> a plug in. Microsoft have provided a text to speech plug in for
> >>> >> Reader
> >>> >> that will read aloud the document. It's based on MS SAPI, and uses
> >>> >> the
> >>> >> standard SAPI synth that ships with Windows. You can find a
download
> >>> >> for this from the Reader downloads page.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Will
> >>> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> >> From: "Nektarios Mallas" <nmallas@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>> >> To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> >> Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 6:39 AM
> >>> >> Subject: [guispeak] Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> > Hello list.
> >>> >> > Is Microsoft ebook reader accessible by screen readers? Is there
> >>> >> > any
> >>> >> > other way to access a *.lit file and extract the text from it so
> >>> >> > you
> >>> >> > can read it with standard applications such as wordpad? Thanks.
> >>> >> > Nektarios.
> >>> >> >
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