Allen D I felt a bit guilty about that post in retrospect. But Allen -- I only get a fraction of what you say almost every time. I feel I need the services of Bletchly Park! It really is most frustrating. I didn't get an answer to the request I'm afraid. However, I didn't actually expect to. My point really was that most of the criticisms of HC reasoning can be directly applied to GC reasoning -- if your mind is open. There are no certainties in this game -- only probabilities. If there were certainties, the game would be over! Paul D Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com