Dear Philip, I doubt that you could convince a Jew or Moslem that ham is OK! Beef is cow, venison is deer and pork is pig. Jack ----- Original Message ----- From: philip madsen To: geocentrism list Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 12:37 AM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Malleus Maleficarum Philip, Unless you antipodeans have a different meaning, "ham" is pork. Not so Neville.. Ham is pig not pork...Expensive too. Philip.