[geocentrism] Re: Malleus Maleficarum
- From: "philip madsen" <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 13:48:33 +1000
John, we do not know the mind of the thief, because scripture does not tell us
his life. and no doubt he had one.. He might have been the proverbial Robin
Hood. Or the other mystical tale in legend, where in it is told that when the
holy family were escaping to Egypt, they were helped and given shelter by a
family of which this man was a member.. Havn't got the detail here.
But the principle is there. Also, the man was offering up his own penance, no
small work, Jesus heard his confession, and forgave him his sins..More than
enough I would think.
40 But the other answering, rebuked him, saying: Neither dost thou fear God,
seeing; thou art under the same condemnation? 41 And we indeed justly: for we
receive the due reward of our deeds. But this man hath done no evil. 42 And he
said to Jesus: Lord, remember me when thou shalt come into thy kingdom. 43 And
Jesus said to him: Amen I say to thee: This day thou shalt be with me in
paradise. Luke 23
Philip.
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From: John Roodt
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 10:13 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Malleus Maleficarum
Good points, Phillip.
I think it has always been a problem in the evangelical movement that we
focus on faith "alone" and pay less attention to scriptures like those you
mentioned.
I don't have the answer...just some thoughts.
The issue has never been clear to me. If you consider the thief on the cross
-- he died with no works at all except to do what Jesus also says is our "work"
which is to "believe in the One He has sent".
I suspect that the absence of works in our lives is because we are not close
to God who "prepares our works for us" (or something to that effect). If we
seek God above all things, and pray for the opportunities and prepare our
selves to respond to them, then He will bring them to us (in a manner of
speaking). In this way we are not in danger of trying to "earn" our salvation
-- that was the great work that Jesus accomplished. Rather our works are fruit
that we bear as a result of walking closely with God. As Paul suggested, his
works were evidence of his faith. Cause-effect?
Your thoughts?
Regards
John
On 7/16/07, philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > wrote:
A question for everybody.
If you were to die in the next 60 seconds, would you go to heaven? I know I
would.
Jack
I have to ask you then Jack, where in the Bible does it gaurrantee you that
. Of what need of our call to have hope, if faith is certain. Of what need is
there to have charity, if faith is certain. Of what need have you of a Judge,
if you can judge yourself? And it is the works that are to be judged, not the
faith as well shown in Mat 25
the judgement:
31 And when the Son of man shall come in his majesty, and all the angels
with him, then shall he sit upon the seat of his majesty. 32 And all nations
shall be gathered together before him: and he shall separate them one from
another, as the shepherd separateth the sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall
set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on his left. 34 Then shall the
king say to them that shall be on his right hand: Come, ye blessed my Father,
possess you the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35
For I was hungry......43 I was a stranger and you took me not in: naked and you
covered me not: sick and in prison and you did not visit me.
14 What shall it profit, my brethren, if a man say he hath faith, but hath
not works? Shall faith be able to save him?
17 So faith also, if it have not works, is dead in itself.
26 For even as the body without the spirit is dead: so also faith without
works is dead.
We are obliged to say often and always, "Lord have mercy...."
Philip.
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