[gameprogrammer] Re: Fast development over multiple platforms, which language?

  • From: "Trollfiddler" <trollfiddler@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <gameprogrammer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 12:44:08 -0000

I think the reason there are not many big games written in Java are mainly 
due to Sun's lack of support for java 3D over the past few years. Yeah 
they're back on the bandwagon with all this "java gaming" stuff and spinning 
about their new online game engine. But that's mostly because they see an 
opportunity in mobile games.

The fact is, a few Java game engines are appearing now, but they are way 
behind the C and BASIC engines because they are being built from scratch as 
we speak. They'll get there, and then I'm sure we'll see plenty of Java 
games worth looking at and playing. You have to remember that everyone got 
in the habit of waiting for Sun to bring out reference implementations of 
every new API, and then developed it from there. They did such a useless job 
on Java 3D that people got fed up waiting and decided it was a dead duck. 
Sure enough Sun dumped it at the earliest opportunity. Now they're all cosy 
with it again 'cos it might have some use. But that long waste of time over 
the last few years has put Java gaming light years behind anything else. It 
will happen though.

T.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Szasz Pal" <space@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <gameprogrammer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 8:28 AM
Subject: [gameprogrammer] Re: Fast development over multiple platforms, 
which language?


>> First, last I heard was that "Java is slower than C++" is a rumor, and
>> the only ACTUAL experiment performed showed that they're the same
>> speed-wise in most things (Java did better in some areas, C++ better in
>> others, but only by small amounts each time).
> Sorry, I don't want to start a flame about it, but can you give us a
> link to that only experiment, and can you tell me where was Java faster
> then C++?
>
> I read all your posts about hotspots, and runtime compiling to native
> code, but do you really believe that a code which is fist compiled to
> byte tocode to some straneg stack-machine, and then compiled again to
> the native processor CAN be faster then one compiled directly to that
> native processor??? And even if Java can be that fast than C++, whil I
> cannot see any big game written in Java? Everybody is claiming that Java
> is much easier to work in, then C++, due to the lack of pointers. So if
> Java is SIMPLER and FASTER, or at least FAST ENOUGH than C++, why there
> aren't so much java games?
>
> And also, even if java vm can compile to native code, that means the
> java vm have to be much bigger, in fact it has to be something like and
> SDK to compile and run the game :-)
>
> I worked a lot with java also, and c++ also. Nowadays I HAVE to work
> with java, and I can see how bad it can be, mostly due to it's
> implementations (I'm talking about mobile phones right now).
>
> -- 
> Best regards,
> Szasz Pal
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