[dungeoncrawl] Re: Tuesday morning review
- From: Damon Kline <damon.kline@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "'dungeoncrawl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'" <dungeoncrawl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 12:56:16 -0500
I definitely agree. Oh, Mr. Deibler, there are no character unions!! :)
This is a dictatorship and all unions or anything resembling a union has
been deemed, unlawful and will be disbanded accordingly. :)
-----Original Message-----
From: Johnathan Detrick [mailto:jdetrick@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 12:57 PM
To: dungeoncrawl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [dungeoncrawl] Re: Tuesday morning review
I think if only one of us had been off, it wouldn't have been as
noticeable. It was a combination of more than one person being off that
caused
the problem.
Damon Kline wrote:
> Yes, it makes perfect sense. I didn't mean to imply that she now trusts
him
> implicitly and would risk her life for him. I just meant that things have
> no changed, for better or worse.
>
> Let's be honest, last night was an off night. Nothing more, nothing less.
> I wasn't completely in the game because I wasn't feeling well and that
> really hampered things.
>
> I also just realized that I forgot to have Erebus tell you something that
I
> needed the group to know. Damn.
>
> We are going to have these every now and then. I think it is standing out
> so much because we don't often have these kind of nights with this group
and
> since we only play once a week, it makes each session that much more
> important.
>
> Hopefully I'll be feeling better next week and I can pull off my plan
> better.
>
> One thing I would caution though, in the weeks and months to come, as the
> party delves deeper into this and finds more things out, please remember
> that retreat and regroup is an option. Too often we tend to think that
the
> DM won't kill the entire party or that the party can take anything,
> especially with eight characters. (I know we did that with the Riders on
a
> few occasions.) You may be able to do a direct assault and take out all
of
> the bad guys in one shot and be done, but I would SERIOUSLY doubt that
would
> happen. As players, just don't make the mistake of thinking that your
> characters will be able to triumph over anything. Unless your character
> thinks that! I'm not saying not to roleplay. If your character would
> legitimately not retreat from a certain situation, that is fine, just
> remember that it is an option. It's not so much that the party is being
set
> up to fail, it's just that it may take more than one big hurrah to end
this.
> :)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Deibler [mailto:rdeibler@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 12:05 PM
> To: dungeoncrawl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [dungeoncrawl] Re: Tuesday morning review
>
> It changes how Tori looks at him now but the trust factor is still not
> there. It was a bummer we had to leave when we did she just killed the one
> on Kage and it woudl have been intresting to see what would transire after
> that. The mood and time is lost for next week but it would have been
> intresting, Even though he is a "druid" she still assisted all other
> characters first then went to Kage, She is looking at his diffrently but
at
> the same time he is still Kage and has done nothing her book to mark a
> dramatic new start. His story could just be that a story. The fact he is a
> nature lover might be a a notch in teh favorable direction but there is
teh
> last few days to get over and that real bad first impression. To her thi
> scould all be a test, and just because Ivan checked him (if he is indeed a
> paladin), he did give off an evil tendency. So she will have to keep an
eye
> on him. They really did not have time to talk in length to make any new
> assesment on each other.
>
> Make any sense...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Damon Kline [mailto:damon.kline@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Tue 12/3/2002 11:53 AM
> To: 'dungeoncrawl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> Cc:
> Subject: [dungeoncrawl] Re: Tuesday morning review
>
>
>
> I do agree with John, in that last night just didn't hit the mark
as
> we
> usually do. Matt was not feeling well and I was getting the
> beginnings of
> what he has. (Which I now have in full.) :) I know that Jim was
> distracted due to issues at home and at work.
>
> Are these excuses for a very off night? Perhaps, but I believe
that
> we have
> overcome other things like this in the past. I think that the
> biggest
> problem that we faced was that I was not into it last night.
> Because I
> wasn't feeling well, I wasn't thinking sharply. About half-way
> through the
> fight at the end, I realized that John had no characters there and
> was
> basically sitting there doing nothing. That is certainly not the
> kind of
> time that I had in mind.
>
> Role-playing was off, big time, but I think that was due to a few
> circumstances. Matt was not feeling well at all and that hurt his
> characters, because he couldn't bring them across as vividly as he
> normally
> does. With the exception of Neris playing up that wound in the
> fight, that
> was great. I think also that John came in with the expectation
that
> a big
> revelation or change was going to happen. Understandable, since
we
> did hype
> it up in that way throughout the week. When he found out that it
> was just
> some stupid info from Erebus and Kage getting turned into a druid
> again, he
> was let down and his characters showed that. When Kage tried to
> explain
> things about what had happened, Cullen and Whilce were both like
> "Whatever,
> we're bored, who cares." I think that was a reflection of John's
> disappointment at the revelation. Truly, it was more of a
> revelation for
> Kage than for anyone else, but I think it will have some
interesting
> effects
> on the group dynamic. It changes how Tori and Kage interact, it
> changes
> Kage's spell selections, his ability to swap spells for healing
and
> his
> ability to turn undead. It will affect his personality, which
> affects the
> group as well. Now, these things are more subtle changes, so
there
> really
> wasn't any big revelation. Perhaps it shouldn't have been built
up
> as much.
>
> In the end, it is my responsibility to "take charge" and make sure
> everyone
> has a good time. Now, certainly even if I am doing a good job, if
> the
> players aren't into it, it hurts. But, if the DM isn't into it,
> unless you
> want a night of complete character driven role-playing, no one is
> going to
> have a good time.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Johnathan Detrick [mailto:jdetrick@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 11:43 AM
> To: dungeoncrawl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [dungeoncrawl] Re: Tuesday morning review
>
>
> Yeah, I guess you could take the e-mail as singling you out as
> the
> problem child. Not intentional, that's for sure. There isn't any
> way
> that one person could be responsible for a night like last night.
> It
> takes group suckiness to sink to the depths we sank to.
> I'm sure that I probably had a worse time of it than anyone
> else,
> but then, I also spent the end of the night doing nothing.
>
> jimkaren@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>
> > Well, I feel a bit better, anyway. If
> > you read your original email, it sure
> > does look that way! :)
> >
> > To be honest, on two occasions last
> > night, I felt like I was focusing too
> > much on your characters to the
> > detriment of Matt and Bobby. And I
> > didn't mean what I said about "stopping
> > playing to download stuff" seriously -
> > I was just amazed at what's possible on
> > PCs in an area that I was never aware
> > of.
> >
> > It wasn't personal - Karen suffers from
> > my geek syndrome all the time. :)
> >
> > My biggest concern is identifying areas
> > where we can improve to keep everyone
> > interested - I can help by remaining
> > focused. I have one confession to
> > make, though - it's really tough for me
> > to make the time to read the 3rd
> > edition books.
> >
> > If I could do that, I'd also be
> > certified on about half a dozen
> > technical areas as well. I'm just
> > interested in too much stuff, with too
> > little time to read everything. I'll
> > always have characters who can't even
> > use their own feats -
> >
> > >
> > > I didn't mean to single you out
> > as being the one that was a
> > > problem. When I was writing it, when
> > I was there last night, and when I
> > > was driving home thinking about it,
> > not once did I think, "Jim is the
> > > problem." It was not in my mind.
> > > You are correct, we do get
> > together to have fun. But in the end, I
> > > did not have fun last night.
> > Usually, when I leave after we play, I
> > > have had a blast. Last night, when I
> > left, I had about three things I
> > > would rather have done with my
> > night. And that depressed me.
> > > Again, I don't single Jim out.
> > That wouldn't be accurate and it
> > > wouldn't be fair.
> > >
> > > jimkaren@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> > >
> > > > Yes, you definitely got me on that
> > > > one. I have to admit, Matt made me
> > > > aware of something that really blew
> > me
> > > > away - it was just an honest
> > reaction.
> > > > I was also a bit petrified about job
> > > > security last night - a lame excuse
> > in
> > > > a sense, but it was a distraction.
> > > >
> > > > I noticed in your original email
> > that
> > > > Matt & Damon were exempted for being
> > > > ill, and that Bobby did what you
> > > > expected - sorry for letting you
> > down.
> > > > But bottom line, aren't we just
> > getting
> > > > together to have fun anyway?
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > There was some role-playing
> > > > towards the end of the evening, but
> > it
> > > > > was not important enough to
> > warrant
> > > > my presence. I can at least name
> > > > > one time you ignored me. Cullen
> > was
> > > > addressing the group, and during
> > > > > that you and Matt started looking
> > at
> > > > the computer and discussing it.
> > > > >
> > > > > jimkaren@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I agree it wasn't the best
> > night,
> > > > but I
> > > > > > thought it went OK, anyway. Do
> > you
> > > > > > mean ignored role-playing wise,
> > or
> > > > > > ignored story/interaction wise?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > At least on my part, I remember
> > Kage
> > > > > > interacting with Cullen about
> > the
> > > > fight
> > > > > > the last time, and Alturo with
> > > > Cullen
> > > > > > about the use of "fascinate".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Kage also tried to start a
> > > > discussion
> > > > > > about Thor with Whilce -
> > mostly, I'm
> > > > > > trying to find out how I ignored
> > > > you?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Synopsis:
> > > > > > > After the battle last time
> > > > with
> > > > > > the driders, the Sigil was
> > > > > > > discussing the need for
> > > > leadership.
> > > > > > During the discussion, Erebus
> > > > > > > appeared in an illusionary
> > form.
> > > > > > Apparently it was difficult and
> > > > > > > painful for him to manifest,
> > but
> > > > he
> > > > > > was able to inform the group
> > that
> > > > > > > they were not on Toril. He
> > also
> > > > told
> > > > > > them that the menace they had
> > been
> > > > > > > formed to defeat was on the
> > same
> > > > > > plane they were. Before more
> > could
> > > > be
> > > > > > > revealed, Erebus appeared to
> > > > shrivel
> > > > > > up and implode into a pile of
> > > > > > > leaves. Those leaves then
> > formed
> > > > > > into the visage of the god
> > Fenrys,
> > > > who
> > > > > > > seized Kage, removing his
> > powers
> > > > as a
> > > > > > cleric, and restoring him to a
> > > > > > > druid.
> > > > > > > Somewhat startled, the
> > party
> > > > > > decided to continue on their
> > way to
> > > > the
> > > > > > > ilithid camp, hoping to learn
> > more
> > > > > > about how to reach the surface,
> > as
> > > > > > > well as information on Lo
> > Pan, who
> > > > > > appeared to be worshipped on
> > this
> > > > > > > world as a deity. Elizabeth
> > had
> > > > > > found some charts and notes in
> > the
> > > > > > > captain's cabin on board the
> > ship
> > > > the
> > > > > > Sigil had used when they first
> > > > > > > appeared on this world, which
> > > > > > suggested that the people on the
> > > > ship
> > > > > > had
> > > > > > > also been followers of Lo Pan.
> > > > > > Deciding he was the menace the
> > > > group had
> > > > > > > been created to destroy, they
> > > > needed
> > > > > > to learn all they could about
> > him.
> > > > > > > The group continued
> > through
> > > > the
> > > > > > caverns, until they reached a
> > side
> > > > > > > cavern. Tori, Neiris and Kage
> > > > > > decided to quickly scout it out,
> > > > while
> > > > > > > the others continued. They
> > found
> > > > a
> > > > > > series of rooms, connected
> > > > > > > vertically by holes in the
> > floors
> > > > and
> > > > > > ceilings. Kage explored them,
> > > > > > > only to encounter a beholder.
> > > > > > Fleeing, he engaged some of the
> > > > > > > beholder's minions in combat,
> > and
> > > > he
> > > > > > managed to defeat them, with the
> > > > > > > help of Tori and Neiris.
> > Soon the
> > > > > > party was reunited.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I don't know that
> > discussing
> > > > last
> > > > > > night in great detail is
> > > > > > > necessary, or that anyone
> > really
> > > > > > wants to. In my opinion, it was
> > > > > > > certainly the worst night we
> > have
> > > > had
> > > > > > since we started playing the
> > Sigil
> > > > > > > again, and possibly the worst
> > > > night
> > > > > > we have ever had playing the
> > Sigil
> > > > > > > (and I'm not exaggerating).
> > For
> > > > me,
> > > > > > it boils down to one sentence; I
> > > > > > > could have not shown up last
> > > > night,
> > > > > > and it would have made no
> > > > > > > difference. I tried to role-
> > play
> > > > > > with the group, and was totally
> > > > > > > ignored (except for Bobby;
> > thank
> > > > you
> > > > > > for role-playing with me), and
> > of
> > > > > > > course, I sat and did nothing
> > for
> > > > the
> > > > > > final 70 minutes, while everyone
> > > > > > > else fought the beholder's
> > > > minions.
> > > > > > > To be fair, Matt and Damon
> > > > > > weren't feeling well. But it
> > was a
> > > > > > > depressing night for me. I
> > was
> > > > in a
> > > > > > great mood all day long, so it
> > was
> > > > > > > quite a letdown for me.
> > > > > > > If anyone wishes to
> > discuss
> > > > last
> > > > > > night, please let me know.
> > > > > > > Otherwise, I'm going to leave
> > it
> > > > > > at, "It sucked", and walk away.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
>
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