[dungeoncrawl] Re: Tuesday morning review
- From: jimkaren@xxxxxxxxxxxx
- To: dungeoncrawl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 13:58:00 US/Eastern
John, I'm just laying out caution here -
I hope this isn't taken as a personal
slight. Every time I've given my
opinion today, you either come back
with "I don't give you enough credit"
or "I don't want to dump old
characters". I just want to make sure
that we end up with a campaign world
that is interesting and not a mish-
mash. Cool?
>
> I don't think you give us enough
credit. First of all, you should
> know that the only evil characters we
have are the Elite. I think you
> remember that they don't number in
the dozens. Secondly, we aren't
> saying that every character we have
should be a deity. What we are
> saying is that this would be a good
way to accomplish two tasks at
> once. First, we eliminate some
characters we have lying around, opening
> the door for fresh ideas and new
adventures. Second, we diversify the
> pantheon, creating future
possibilities for DMs and a more
interesting
> world.
> As far as obscure duties go, I
wouldn't want that either. However,
> don't forget that the Forgotten
Realms has some of the more obscure
> deities you could imagine. The
entire Powers and Pantheons book was
> devoted to some of the most obscure
deities imaginable, and if I
> remember correctly, you loved that
book! How do you have little cults
> devoted to some demipower, if you
don't have diversity? How does the
> pantheon struggle for power, if there
isn't diversity?
> I was thinking along the same
lines as you, until I was driving home
> last night. Then, while role-playing
a scene in my head, I realized
> that the current group is not very
diverse. There's a big need for
> different personalities and
portfolios, and when I realized that,
> everything else made sense. Try and
think of it that way.
>
> jimkaren@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>
> > I don't have a problem with dumping
old
> > characters - I really just want to
make
> > sure that we create something
viable.
> > I just have an image in my mind of
> > about a dozen evil deities with
obscure
> > duties just because we had a dozen
evil
> > characters.
> >
> > >
> > > I think the problem is that
you
> > don't want to "dump" old
> > > characters. Damon and I are
hoping
> > for a chance to start anew. It's
> > > kind of like last night when we
were
> > talking and someone had said about
> > > playing the characters as deities.
> > In my opinion, that is a huge
> > > mistake! We need to break from
the
> > past, not continue to rehash it. Do
> > > I enjoy playing these older
> > characters? Of course I do. That's
> > all the
> > > more reason to put them somewhere
we
> > can't play them anymore.
> > > Which pantheons do you refer
to
> > that don't have a lot of deities?
> > > Look at Norse or Greek mythology.
> > Good grief, they had tons of
> > > deities! Granted, the Forgotten
> > Realms has more than most. But I
think
> > > pantheistic deities systems
normally
> > have a lot of deities, as they have
> > > to encompass so many different
> > portfolios.
> > >
> > > jimkaren@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> > >
> > > > A word of caution - most
pantheons
> > > > don't have a "slew" of
deities. My
> > > > original vision was that
characters
> > > > involved in the quest for
godhood in
> > > > one way or another would be the
only
> > > > ones who became gods - their
> > > > adventures, successes, and
failures
> > > > along the way would form the new
> > > > world's mythology.
> > > >
> > > > I think we risk losing some
> > > > distinctiveness and style
points if
> > we
> > > > start to use this world as a
retired
> > > > character dumping ground.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, the Black Legion
will be
> > > > evil deities. However, the good
> > > > deities still
> > > > > outnumber the evil ones quite
a
> > bit,
> > > > so I believe there might be some
> > room
> > > > for
> > > > > the Elite.
> > > > > I like your idea of going
> > through
> > > > your characters and deciding
what
> > to do
> > > > > with them. I plan on doing
the
> > same
> > > > thing eventually. Perhaps
today,
> > > > perhaps
> > > > > later.
> > > > > Don't forget though, that
we
> > want
> > > > this to make sense. Why would
> > certain
> > > > > characters be chosen as
deities?
> > > > Some of it may come out of the
> > > > discussion
> > > > > amongst the characters we have
> > now.
> > > > I have already followed the
train of
> > > > > conversation that I can see
> > happening
> > > > between Magnus, Dennis, Karvas,
> > Gadget,
> > > > > Quasit and the rest as they
set up
> > > > this world, and that's what got
me
> > > > thinking
> > > > > last night that they may need
more
> > > > deities then they currently
have.
> > Their
> > > > > thoughts would naturally go to
> > those
> > > > people they know. And Ao may
decree
> > > > that
> > > > > more evil is needed as a
balance,
> > > > which could lead to the Elite.
We
> > shall
> > > > > see...
> > > > >
> > > > > Damon Kline wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > He might make a very cool
power
> > of
> > > > deceipt and misdirection.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As for me, I'm looking to
> > retire as
> > > > many characters as possible.
Some
> > make
> > > > > > sense as powers and some
don't.
> > > > One thing to consider though, is
> > that
> > > > the
> > > > > > Riders aren't going to be
the
> > only
> > > > deities right? Will the Black
> > Legion be
> > > > > > taking any of the "evil"
spots?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Could we throw some of the
> > Elite in
> > > > there as possible evil powers?
I
> > > > > > wouldn't mind putting all
of my
> > > > characters on this new world and
> > > > starting
> > > > > > over with brand new
characters.
> > > > There are some that make sense
as
> > > > possible
> > > > > > powers, but then there are
some
> > > > that just don't. I don't see
Erebus
> > > > leaving
> > > > > > his position as Magister.
Even
> > > > though he could potentially be a
> > deity,
> > > > he
> > > > > > doesn't want to be in the
Riders
> > > > pantheon. I don't see Krodo
> > wanting to
> > > > be
> > > > > > a deity either, although he
> > would
> > > > have a hell of a lot of fun!!
Then
> > > > there
> > > > > > are characters like Phelan
who
> > > > might make a cool deity, but
then
> > he is
> > > > still
> > > > > > a playable character and
there
> > is a
> > > > lot I can do with him. That
sort of
> > > > > > thing. Maybe, if I have
time,
> > I'll
> > > > take my list of characters that
> > John has
> > > > > > provided and do some short
write
> > > > ups on who would make a good
deity,
> > who
> > > > > > wouldn't and what else I see
> > them
> > > > as possibly doing.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: jimkaren@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > [mailto:jimkaren@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 15,
2002
> > > > 7:52 AM
> > > > > > To:
dungeoncrawl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > Subject: [dungeoncrawl] Re:
> > Tuesday
> > > > morning review
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hey guys, glad everyone had
a
> > good
> > > > > > time! I'm looking forward
to
> > > > defining
> > > > > > the campaign world as well.
> > For the
> > > > > > most part, I think I'm
going to
> > > > keep my
> > > > > > lower level characters
mortal
> > and
> > > > make
> > > > > > the higher level ones into
> > powers -
> > > > the
> > > > > > only exception might be
Marnie.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think she and Dove have
> > something
> > > > in
> > > > > > common with both of them
> > spending so
> > > > > > many years trying to atone
for
> > evil
> > > > > > siblings - it could be neat
to
> > see
> > > > what
> > > > > > they end up doing without
those
> > > > burdens.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The only other high level
> > character
> > > > > > that I still have is
> > Betelguize -
> > > > and I
> > > > > > never really played him
enough
> > to
> > > > say
> > > > > > that he'd make a good god of
> > this or
> > > > > > that. Then again, I'd
rather
> > retire
> > > > > > him than play him -
> > > > > > opinions/suggestions?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Oh, well that sucks. I
didn't
> > > > > > realize that. Oh well.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: Johnathan Detrick
> > > > > >
[mailto:jdetrick@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 15,
> > 2002
> > > > 10:51
> > > > > > AM
> > > > > > > To:
dungeoncrawl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > Subject: [dungeoncrawl]
Re:
> > > > Tuesday
> > > > > > morning review
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > No, I attached it. My
> > theory
> > > > is
> > > > > > that we can't send files
over
> > the
> > > > > > > website.
> > > > > > > I'll send it individually.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Damon Kline wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I think you forgot to
> > attach the
> > > > > > file... :)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message---
--
> > > > > > > > From: Johnathan Detrick
> > > > > >
[mailto:jdetrick@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, October
15,
> > 2002
> > > > > > 10:42 AM
> > > > > > > > To:
> > dungeoncrawl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > > Subject: [dungeoncrawl]
Re:
> > > > Tuesday
> > > > > > morning review
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I was hoping that
others
> > > > might
> > > > > > see the advantage in this.
> > > > > > > > Basically, I
believe we
> > > > > > currently have about 15
> > deities. I
> > > > > > believe
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > Forgotten Realms has
closer
> > to
> > > > 30.
> > > > > > Obviously not every
character is
> > > > deity
> > > > > > > > material, or interested
in
> > it,
> > > > but
> > > > > > it would be a way to slash
the
> > > > number
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > playable characters we
have,
> > > > while
> > > > > > giving our new world depth
and
> > > > > > > interest.
> > > > > > > > Something to think on.
> > > > > > > > I was driving home
last
> > > > night,
> > > > > > and like Damon, I was
surprised
> > by
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > fact
> > > > > > > > that I wanted to get
rid of
> > more
> > > > > > characters. As much as I
had a
> > > > blast, I
> > > > > > > > suddenly realized that
> > massive
> > > > > > retirement might be our best
> > > > option. It
> > > > > > > > keeps
> > > > > > > > characters "in play", at
> > least
> > > > as
> > > > > > NPCs, and clears our slate
to
> > do new
> > > > > > > > things.
> > > > > > > > It also should result
in our
> > > > having
> > > > > > a kick-ass campaign world,
one
> > we
> > > > are
> > > > > > > > interested in
developing,
> > since
> > > > we
> > > > > > all have a stake in it.
Just an
> > > > > > > idea...
> > > > > > > > I have tons of
things
> > in my
> > > > > > head, and I will be sending
out
> > e-
> > > > mails
> > > > > > > > soon.
> > > > > > > > In the meantime, I
attached
> > the
> > > > > > current master list of
> > characters.
> > > > It's
> > > > > > > one
> > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > had for the Tiamat War,
but
> > I
> > > > have
> > > > > > kept it as current as
possible.
> > > > Check
> > > > > > > > your
> > > > > > > > characters and see who
you
> > think
> > > > > > might be good for our
purposes.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Damon Kline wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I actually like that
> > idea! I
> > > > > > want a way to widdle down
the
> > > > number of
> > > > > > > > > characters that I
have out
> > > > there
> > > > > > on the planes and some of
those
> > > > > > > > characters
> > > > > > > > > would make great
> > deities. Off
> > > > > > the top of my head, I could
see
> > > > Marcus
> > > > > > > > taking
> > > > > > > > > some sort of deity
role
> > under
> > > > > > Faceous and it would be cool
> > since
> > > > this
> > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > originally the world
he
> > was
> > > > from
> > > > > > along with Sinjen, D'alleva,
> > > > Valeria,
> > > > > > > > Opal
> > > > > > > > > and Nelik. On that
note,
> > I
> > > > could
> > > > > > see Sinjen taking some sort
of
> > role
> > > > > > > > here.
> > > > > > > > > Once he regains his
honor.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Rikus would make a
> > > > cool "Tempus-
> > > > > > like" demi-power, even
though
> > he is
> > > > only
> > > > > > > > > like 3rd level. :)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Characters I don't see
> > being
> > > > > > deities would be possibly
Krodo,
> > > > Phelan,
> > > > > > > > > Erebus, Medean might
make
> > a
> > > > cool
> > > > > > god of illusions, but he
would
> > have
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > > share it with Delusia.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Anyway, there is much
to
> > > > > > discuss...
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-
----
> > > > > > > > > From: Johnathan
Detrick
> > > > > >
[mailto:jdetrick@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday,
October 15,
> > > > 2002
> > > > > > 10:11 AM
> > > > > > > > > To:
> > dungeoncrawl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > > > Subject:
[dungeoncrawl]
> > Re:
> > > > > > Tuesday morning review
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I've been
thinking of
> > > > what to
> > > > > > do with those characters as
> > well. I
> > > > > > > > > hadn't
> > > > > > > > > thought of what you
> > > > suggested; it
> > > > > > might be interesting.
Perhaps
> > we
> > > > > > > could
> > > > > > > > > make
> > > > > > > > > some of them into
> > important
> > > > > > personages on that world; it
> > would
> > > > be a
> > > > > > > quick
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > easy way to gain NPCs.
> > > > > > > > > However, I was
also
> > > > thinking
> > > > > > of making some extra people
> > deities.
> > > > > > > > > Basically, what I
would
> > like
> > > > to
> > > > > > do is figure out how many
> > deities we
> > > > > > > want
> > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > pantheon. While I
don't
> > want
> > > > to
> > > > > > go crazy, I want to have
enough
> > so
> > > > that
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > normal schmoe living
on
> > Planet
> > > > > > Magnus (what, I'm sorry, was
> > that
> > > > name
> > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > approved by
everyone?) has
> > > > > > someone that they can turn
to.
> > The
> > > > more
> > > > > > > > deities
> > > > > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > have, the richer
> > mythology we
> > > > can
> > > > > > create. I'm not talking
about
> > > > > > > everyone
> > > > > > > > > (although Jim had said
> > > > Hiernymous
> > > > > > had an interest at one
time),
> > but
> > > > > > > there
> > > > > > > > > might
> > > > > > > > > be some characters
that
> > they
> > > > > > would "throw a bone" to, so
to
> > > > speak.
> > > > > > > > > Something to
> > > > > > > > > think about, and
> > something we
> > > > may
> > > > > > want to consider as we talk
this
> > > > out.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Damon Kline wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I wholeheartedly
agree
> > on
> > > > all
> > > > > > points!!!! You would think
that
> > > > after
> > > > > > > > > having
> > > > > > > > > > played these
characters
> > for
> > > > so
> > > > > > long of a time, that it
would be
> > > > sad to
> > > > > > > > see
> > > > > > > > > > them go. But I
have to
> > > > admit
> > > > > > that I am very excited about
> > where
> > > > they
> > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > and how they
ended. I
> > am
> > > > very
> > > > > > much looking forward
> > to "starting
> > > > anew"
> > > > > > > > > when
> > > > > > > > > > we start another
> > campaign.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I still have an
> > interest in
> > > > a
> > > > > > few of my characters that
are
> > being
> > > > held
> > > > > > > > > > captive by the Gods,
> > but for
> > > > > > the most part, I am much
more
> > > > interested
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > starting new
> > characters. I
> > > > > > have some thoughts on what
to do
> > > > with
> > > > > > > those
> > > > > > > > > > characters out in
the
> > > > planes,
> > > > > > but I'll save those for
when we
> > > > start
> > > > > > > > > talking
> > > > > > > > > > about it. Well,
maybe
> > I'll
> > > > > > just throw something out
there
> > now
> > > > so
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > don't forget about
it.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > No need to respond
to
> > this
> > > > now,
> > > > > > it can be covered later, I
just
> > > > wanted
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > say it before I
forget
> > it.
> > > > Do
> > > > > > you think that the Riders
might
> > > > invite
> > > > > > > > > some,
> > > > > > > > > > or all, of the
people
> > who
> > > > > > participated in the Tiamat
war
> > to
> > > > come
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > live
> > > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > their new world? I
> > don't
> > > > think
> > > > > > they would offer them any
type
> > of
> > > > > > > power
> > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > anything, but since
> > they did
> > > > > > help the Riders in fighting
> > Tiamat,
> > > > > > > perhaps
> > > > > > > > > > they might offer to
let
> > them
> > > > > > live a free life on the new
> > world
> > > > > > instead
> > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > being stuck in
> > servitude on
> > > > > > some plane somewhere. Just
a
> > > > thought.
> > > > > > It
> > > > > > > > > might
> > > > > > > > > > help us to provide
some
> > > > already
> > > > > > known people to populate the
> > world
> > > > > > > with.
> > > > > > > > > > They wouldn't get
> > anything,
> > > > it
> > > > > > would basically be a "Hey,
> > Sorrell,
> > > > > > > > instead
> > > > > > > > > > of lounging around
out
> > > > there in
> > > > > > that plane, why don't you
come
> > and
> > > > > > > live
> > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > our new world?" She
> > agrees
> > > > and
> > > > > > gets plane shifted to the
new
> > world
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > is the end of the
deal.
> > > > She is
> > > > > > on her own from there.
Anyway,
> > > > like I
> > > > > > > > > said,
> > > > > > > > > > we can pick it up
later.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > As for last
night...Jim,
> > > > > > awesome, awesome job!! I
echo
> > > > John's
> > > > > > > > sentiments.
> > > > > > > > > > I had a blast. I
felt
> > > > > > challenged through the
fight,
> > but
> > > > not
> > > > > > > > overwhelmed.
> > > > > > > > > > It was dangerous,
but
> > not
> > > > > > overly one-sided. If I had
to
> > pick
> > > > a
> > > > > > way
> > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > Riders to "go out"
that
> > > > would
> > > > > > be it. I enjoyed the story
the
> > > > whole
> > > > > > > way
> > > > > > > > > > through and while
there
> > were
> > > > > > times when I was like "What
the
> > > > hell is
> > > > > > > he
> > > > > > > > > > doing to us?", it
was
> > never
> > > > in
> > > > > > a bad way, more of a "I
didn't
> > see
> > > > THAT
> > > > > > > > > > coming." kind of
way.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > So anyway, it was a
lot
> > of
> > > > fun
> > > > > > and you ended it perfectly.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Thanks for a
wonderful
> > > > time!!!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > -----Original
Message---
> > --
> > > > > > > > > > From: Johnathan
Detrick
> > > > > >
[mailto:jdetrick@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday,
October
> > 15,
> > > > 2002
> > > > > > 9:46 AM
> > > > > > > > > > To: Riders II
> > > > > > > > > > Subject:
[dungeoncrawl]
> > > > Tuesday
> > > > > > morning review
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > As I mentioned
> > before, I
> > > > > > thought last night was
awesome!
> > > > Jim did
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > great job, and the
night
> > > > was a
> > > > > > blast. Let's recap.
> > > > > > > > > > The adventure to
> > rescue
> > > > > > Karvas and Saurotte was nice
> > and not
> > > > > > > > > > contrived, yet it
didn't
> > > > take
> > > > > > up too much of the night. I
> > was a
> > > > > > > little
> > > > > > > > > > disappointed that we
> > > > couldn't
> > > > > > play that smaller group more
> > > > because I
> > > > > > > > > > enjoyed them, but it
> > would
> > > > have
> > > > > > been sheer folly on Jim's
part
> > to
> > > > drag
> > > > > > > > > > that out. Instead
he
> > made
> > > > it
> > > > > > just the right length, and
it
> > was
> > > > great.
> > > > > > > > > > As he has
throughout
> > > > this
> > > > > > adventure, Jim kept me
guessing
> > the
> > > > > > > entire
> > > > > > > > > > night. I was not
aware
> > that
> > > > > > the battle with the Black
Legion
> > > > was the
> > > > > > > > > > end of the
adventure. I
> > > > > > assumed there would be more
> > beyond
> > > > them.
> > > > > > > > > > Personally, I'm
thrilled
> > > > that
> > > > > > he made them the climax.
If the
> > > > Riders
> > > > > > > > > > were going to end
their
> > > > careers
> > > > > > as adventurers, what is more
> > > > > > > appropriate
> > > > > > > > > > than a final battle
with
> > > > their
> > > > > > most hated foes? It was the
> > perfect
> > > > > > > > > > capper for them, and
> > bravo
> > > > to
> > > > > > Jim for using it as the
> > endpiece.
> > > > > > > > > > I sensed that
Jim
> > felt
> > > > he
> > > > > > wasn't using the Black
Legion to
> > > > their
> > > > > > > > > > full potential last
> > night,
> > > > or
> > > > > > that they were too easy.
> > > > Considering he
> > > > > > > > > > killed five
characters
> > > > > > throughout the fight, I'm
not
> > sure
> > > > why
> > > > > > he felt
> > > > > > > > > > that way. The Black
> > Legion
> > > > was
> > > > > > doing incredibly well.
Damon
> > made
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > statement that they
> > never
> > > > > > attacked us en masse. Thank
> > God!
> > > > > > > Personally,
> > > > > > > > > > I think Jim used
them
> > > > > > exceedingly well. By having
> > them
> > > > > > attack us in
> > > > > > > > > > waves it kept the
group
> > off
> > > > > > balance. It also should be
> > noted
> > > > that
> > > > > > two
> > > > > > > > > > or three of them at
a
> > time
> > > > was
> > > > > > more than sufficient to
keep 11
> > > > members
> > > > > > > > > > of the Riders
busy. It
> > > > made it
> > > > > > seem like Amrikol had a
master
> > plan,
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > made him seem much
more
> > > > like a
> > > > > > brilliant strategist than
if he
> > had
> > > > > > > used
> > > > > > > > > > his power and simply
> > tried
> > > > to
> > > > > > pummel the Riders into
paste.
> > > > > > > > > > If Jim shot
himself
> > in
> > > > the
> > > > > > foot anywhere, it was in
> > killing so
> > > > > > > many
> > > > > > > > > > people in the
> > adventures of
> > > > the
> > > > > > past few weeks. Because an
> > average
> > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > two characters per
week
> > were
> > > > > > dying on adventures,
Faceous had
> > > > taken
> > > > > > > all
> > > > > > > > > > Resurrections at 7th
> > level.
> > > > > > This enabled him to
continually
> > > > > > replenish
> > > > > > > > > > the ranks of the
Riders
> > from
> > > > > > the dead characters. If he
had
> > not
> > > > done
> > > > > > > > > > that, the Riders
would
> > have
> > > > > > been in a lot more trouble.
> > They
> > > > would
> > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > survived, I think,
but
> > it
> > > > would
> > > > > > have been by the skin of
their
> > > > teeth.
> > > > > > > > > > Anyway, the
fight
> > was
> > > > > > great. It moved quite
quickly;
> > for
> > > > > > someone
> > > > > > > > > > that does not have
as
> > firm a
> > > > > > grasp of the rules as he
did in
> > > > second
> > > > > > > > > > edition, Jim kept
things
> > > > moving
> > > > > > so smoothly. And
considering
> > that
> > > > all
> > > > > > > > > > of the players had
more
> > than
> > > > > > one character, we moved
quickly
> > as
> > > > well.
> > > > > > > > > > There was a palpable
> > sense
> > > > of
> > > > > > danger the entire time, and
> > death
> > > > was
> > > > > > > > > > constantly
present. I
> > just
> > > > > > can't say how much fun I
> > thought it
> > > > was.
> > > > > > > > > > The was the perfect
mix
> > of
> > > > > > danger and excitement. I
didn't
> > > > feel
> > > > > > > > > > completely
overwhelmed
> > and I
> > > > > > didn't feel like it was
easy.
> > It
> > > > was
> > > > > > > > > > great.
> > > > > > > > > > One side note.
> > Amrikol
> > > > > > broke his Staff of Power in
a
> > > > > > retributive
> > > > > > > > > > strike. I was
> > surprised as
> > > > > > hell, and said as much. I
> > think Jim
> > > > > > > thought
> > > > > > > > > > I was fighting him
on
> > it. I
> > > > > > was not. The villains are
> > allowed
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > surprise me, and I
am
> > not
> > > > privy
> > > > > > to their thoughts. I was
not
> > trying
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > challenge Jim's
ruling;
> > I
> > > > was
> > > > > > just surprised. No doubt
that
> > was
> > > > > > > > > > Amrikol's plan, as
he
> > > > probably
> > > > > > assumed the Riders wouldn't
> > think
> > > > him
> > > > > > > > > > capable of doing
that.
> > In
> > > > that
> > > > > > respect, it worked
brilliantly.
> > > > But I
> > > > > > > > > > just wanted to make
it
> > > > clear I
> > > > > > was not disagreeing with
what
> > Jim
> > > > was
> > > > > > > > > > doing; I was just
> > amazed he
> > > > did
> > > > > > it.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I'll start
sending
> > out
> > > > e-
> > > > > > mail on the new gods and
their
> > world
> > > > > > > today
> > > > > > > > > > and through the week
> > (expect
> > > > > > them to start this
afternoon).
> > Jim
> > > > did
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > bang-up job, and
here's
> > a
> > > > thank
> > > > > > you from me!
> > > > > > > >
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