[cryptome] Re: The NSA snooping.
- From: Jeremy Compton <comptojere@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2013 02:38:19 +0000
Usually each country l can think of has four main intelligence agencies.
In New Zealand you have NZSIS (New Zealand Security Intelligence Service),
(GCSB) Government Communications Security Bureau, (DDIS) Defense Directorate of
Intelligence and Security, (NAB) National Assessments Bureau.
Australia's Intelligence organisations are ASIO (Australian Security
Intelligence Organisation), ASIS (Australian Secret Intelligence Organisation),
DSD (Defense Signals Directorate), ONA (Office of National Assessments)
A rather old but authoritative report on New Zealand's Intelligence community
is this one put out by the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet. Securing
Our Nations Safety. December, 2000
http://www.dpmc.govt.nz/dpmc/publications/securingoursafety
NZSIS are Domestic Intelligence, like that of ASIO, MI5, whereas GCSB (external
intelligence) is like that of the Australian Defense Signals Directorate (DSD)
and the GCHQ and the NSA.
DDIS, is New Zealand's Military Intelligence, l am uncertain what the
equivalents are of the top of my head.
The National Assessment Bureau is the Prime Ministers independent research
organisation (Its function is to provide assessments to the Prime Minister,
other ministers, senior officials and New Zealand’s diplomatic missions abroad,
on events and developments that bear on New Zealand’s interests, especially in
regard to national security matters.) http://www.dpmc.govt.nz/nab The
Australians have an equivalent organisation to this one, that being the Office
of National Assessments http://www.ona.gov.au/
http://www.ona.gov.au/about-ona.html
Having said all this, there are real reasons why we have such strong security,
that does get breached by such countries as China. An excellent example is that
of the building that had been built for ASIO but because of a cyber attack has
had all its building plans and anything of value stolen, through a contractor
that did not have good computer security practices.
Source: HACKED! (Four Corners) By Andrew Fowler and Peter Cronau Updated May
29, 2013 16:22:00 http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2013/05/27/3766576.htm
Blueprints for new ASIO headquarters 'stolen' May 28, 2013
Ben Grubb
http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/security-it/blueprints-for-new-asio-headquarters-stolen-20130527-2n7kz.html
China blamed after ASIO blueprints stolen in major cyber attack on Canberra HQ
Updated Tue May 28, 2013 7:51am AEST
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-27/asio-blueprints-stolen-in-major-hacking-operation/4715960
China's payback to ASIO the latest in a tradition of spookery May 28, 2013
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/chinas-payback-to-asio-the-latest-in-a-tradition-of-spookery-20130528-2n8wm.html
This is the reason why you should have very good security practices.
In order to save this situation, Australia will have to gut this new building
internally totally and start again and make sure that its security of
everything is of the highest grade.
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of System Rat [systemrat@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Sunday, 21 July 2013 10:42 a.m.
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Subject: [cryptome] Re: The NSA snooping.
I agree on the comparison of the British services naming to ours but as this
seems to be a largely a US based group I used the US equivalent services as a
rough comparison of roles - domestic and foreign.
Re Abbott - Yes I do think he would do a far better job than the current lot.
As an off topic issue the now out of control illegal immigration mess Rudd
created by dismantling our boarder protection laws has resulted in ASIO being
severely stretched in being able to do security assessments. Just who is really
coming in via the backdoor and what problems will we face in the future because
of this. The majority are economic immigrants but not all.
Andrew Wilkie is an independent who was once an ONA officer who leaked
classified information. Prior to being elected as an independent he ran for the
Greens party but lost. His support of the Gillard government has cost this
country dearly.
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From: cryptome-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cryptome-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Ben McGinnes
Sent: Sunday, 21 July 2013 12:48 AM
To: cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [cryptome] Re: The NSA snooping.
On 20/07/13 10:18 PM, System Rat wrote:
> In Australia - ASIS = CIA whereas ASIO = FBI in Oz in the context of
> intelligence services.
Actually a more accurate comparison is that ASIO is the equivalent of
MI5 and ASIS is the equivalent of MI6, except without the "self-defence" power
that British subjects have (which is what Fleming used as the basis for the
"license to kill" in his novels).
To get an equivalent of the FBI you'd need to combine parts of the AFP, ASIO,
the ACC and AUSTRAC.
> No I have no idea what they get up to regrettably I am not in the
> loop. :-) . In each case the attorney general overseas them but each
> has its own head.
Nope, not all of them. There are six (possibly seven, depending on definitions
- see below) main intelligence organisations in Australia:
1) Australian Security Intelligence Organisation (ASIO); reports to the
Attorney-General.
2) Australian Secret Intelligence Service (ASIS); reports to the Minister for
Foreign Affairs.
3) Office of National Assessments (ONA); reports to the Prime Minister.
4) Defence Intelligence Organisation (DIO); follows Department of Defence chain
of command up to the Deputy Secretary of Intelligence and Security.
5) Defence Imagery and Geospatial Organisation (DIGO); follows Department of
Defence chain of command up to the Deputy Secretary of Intelligence and
Security.
6) Defence Signals Directorate (DSD); follows Department of Defence chain of
command up to the Deputy Secretary of Intelligence and Security.
Arguably you could also include the Defence Security Authority (DSA), which
deals with security policy and vetting.
> PS I don't trust the current attorney general on the political level
> but come the next election he will be gone I hope.
You really think Tony Abbott and company will be an improvement? If the
election goes that way I think you'll be disappointed.
Regards,
Ben
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