[cryptome] Re: The NSA snooping.

  • From: Jeremy Compton <comptojere@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2013 02:38:19 +0000

Usually each country l can think of has four main intelligence agencies. 
In New Zealand you have NZSIS (New Zealand Security Intelligence Service), 
(GCSB) Government Communications Security Bureau, (DDIS) Defense Directorate of 
Intelligence and Security, (NAB) National Assessments Bureau.

Australia's Intelligence organisations are ASIO (Australian Security 
Intelligence Organisation), ASIS (Australian Secret Intelligence Organisation), 
DSD (Defense Signals Directorate), ONA (Office of National Assessments)

A rather old but authoritative report on New Zealand's Intelligence community 
is this one put out by the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet. Securing 
Our Nations Safety. December, 2000

NZSIS are Domestic Intelligence, like that of ASIO, MI5, whereas GCSB (external 
intelligence) is like that of the Australian Defense Signals Directorate (DSD) 
and the GCHQ and the NSA.

DDIS, is New Zealand's Military Intelligence, l am uncertain what the 
equivalents are of the top of my head.

The National Assessment Bureau is the Prime Ministers independent research 
organisation (Its function is to provide assessments to the Prime Minister, 
other ministers, senior officials and New Zealand’s diplomatic missions abroad, 
on events and developments that bear on New Zealand’s interests, especially in 
regard to national security matters.) http://www.dpmc.govt.nz/nab The 
Australians have an equivalent organisation to this one, that being the Office 
of National Assessments http://www.ona.gov.au/ 

Having said all this, there are real reasons why we have such strong security, 
that does get breached by such countries as China. An excellent example is that 
of the building that had been built for ASIO but because of a cyber attack has 
had all its building plans and anything of value stolen, through a contractor 
that did not have good computer security practices. 

Source: HACKED! (Four Corners) By Andrew Fowler and Peter Cronau Updated May 
29, 2013 16:22:00 http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2013/05/27/3766576.htm

Blueprints for new ASIO headquarters 'stolen' May 28, 2013 
Ben Grubb

China blamed after ASIO blueprints stolen in major cyber attack on Canberra HQ
Updated Tue May 28, 2013 7:51am AEST 

China's payback to ASIO the latest in a tradition of spookery May 28, 2013 

This is the reason why you should have very good security practices. 

In order to save this situation, Australia will have to gut this new building 
internally totally and start again and make sure that its security of 
everything is of the highest grade. 


From: cryptome-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [cryptome-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] on behalf 
of System Rat [systemrat@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Sunday, 21 July 2013 10:42 a.m.
To: cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [cryptome] Re: The NSA snooping.

I agree on the comparison of the British services naming to ours but as this 
seems to be a largely a US based group I used the US equivalent services as a 
rough comparison of roles - domestic and foreign.

Re Abbott - Yes I do think he would do a far better job than the current lot.

As an off topic issue the now out of control illegal immigration mess Rudd 
created by dismantling our boarder protection laws has resulted in ASIO being 
severely stretched in being able to do security assessments. Just who is really 
coming in via the backdoor and what problems will we face in the future because 
of this. The majority are economic immigrants but not all.

Andrew Wilkie is an independent who was once an ONA officer who leaked 
classified information. Prior to being elected as an independent he ran for the 
Greens party but lost. His support of the Gillard government has cost this 
country dearly.

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Behalf Of Ben McGinnes
Sent: Sunday, 21 July 2013 12:48 AM
To: cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [cryptome] Re: The NSA snooping.

On 20/07/13 10:18 PM, System Rat wrote:
> In Australia  - ASIS = CIA whereas ASIO = FBI in Oz in the context of
> intelligence services.

Actually a more accurate comparison is that ASIO is the equivalent of
MI5 and ASIS is the equivalent of MI6, except without the "self-defence" power 
that British subjects have (which is what Fleming used as the basis for the 
"license to kill" in his novels).

To get an equivalent of the FBI you'd need to combine parts of the AFP, ASIO, 
the ACC and AUSTRAC.

> No I have no idea what they get up to regrettably I am not in the
> loop. :-) . In each case the attorney general overseas them but each
> has its own head.

Nope, not all of them.  There are six (possibly seven, depending on definitions 
- see below) main intelligence organisations in Australia:

1) Australian Security Intelligence Organisation (ASIO); reports to the 

2) Australian Secret Intelligence Service (ASIS); reports to the Minister for 
Foreign Affairs.

3) Office of National Assessments (ONA); reports to the Prime Minister.

4) Defence Intelligence Organisation (DIO); follows Department of Defence chain 
of command up to the Deputy Secretary of Intelligence and Security.

5) Defence Imagery and Geospatial Organisation (DIGO); follows Department of 
Defence chain of command up to the Deputy Secretary of Intelligence and 

6) Defence Signals Directorate (DSD); follows Department of Defence chain of 
command up to the Deputy Secretary of Intelligence and Security.

Arguably you could also include the Defence Security Authority (DSA), which 
deals with security policy and vetting.

> PS I don't trust the current attorney general on the political level
> but come the next election he will be gone I hope.

You really think Tony Abbott and company will be an improvement?  If the 
election goes that way I think you'll be disappointed.


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