[cryptome] Re: The NSA snooping.

  • From: professor rat <pro2rat@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2013 09:05:00 -0700 (PDT)

Sounds like you missed ' Oyster' the book about ASIS. Pity - its a good read. 
And the crimes committed by these spooks could get Aussies killed. 

 From: Jeremy Compton <comptojere@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
Sent: Saturday, 20 July 2013 9:45 PM
Subject: [cryptome] Re: The NSA snooping.

Yes, this is a Politics Issue. The NSA is a state govt agency whose job it is 
to acquire information of value to the govt who pays for it. By State, l mean a 
government (Such as the Rudd or Key Government) that can enforce its rule 
within a boundary which it has contol over, such as Australia and NZ. This is a 
pretty good defintion of a state, who are elected by the people. 
There are two kind of Intelligence communities, the kind that keep a regime in 
power or the kind that protect our democratic liberities like those in 
Westiminster style governments.

The issue here is how this agency is used and against whom and for what 
reasons. I have probably heard about as much as you on the Edward Snowden case. 
Do we know what ASIS gets up to apart from what is on their website? No, we 
should not because then they
 would not be secret.
Australia, US, NZ, UK and Canada are members of a group of countries who share 
information as to what is going on around them.

If, any of what Snowden shared is valid then it was useful to those of us who 
were surveilled. I thought Snowdens actions showed a great lack of wisdom, for 
a guy that is alleged to be quite intelligent.

From: cryptome-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [cryptome-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] on behalf 
of System Rat [systemrat@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Saturday, 20 July 2013 11:18 p.m.
To: cryptome@s ifreelists.org
Subject: [cryptome] Re: The NSA snooping.

Perhaps I am missing something fundamental here but you guys are getting upset 
that the NSA is doing its job in maintaining an ability to intercept 
communications be that by whatever means Morse to smoke signals or sharks with 
lasers (Dr. Evil Austin Powers). I am not a terrorist nor would I disclose 
secrets that might harm the state or its allies if I knew any that is. (By the 
state I mean people like you and me that live there NOT the current political 
party.) Any NSA or local equivalent analyst would most lightly go off on stress 
leave if forced to monitor my online activity due to boredom. If I live in some 
repressive regime for example the former east Germany then I might fear a knock 
on the door. BUT on the other hand the NSA or its local equivalent via 
technical means have the ability to target and monitor the bad guys by 
definition for example Al Qaeda is that a bad thing ? Do you have some proof 
for example Al Qaeda is not using a local ISP near
 you ? The counter argument to objecting to them monitoring is events like 9/11 
represent a failure in identifying the threat. Perhaps  Al Qaeda’s tradecraft 
was not to disclose any useful information in communications that might be 
intercepted. I hope any and every means is being employed to help prevent a 
repeat of that atrocity now. I would not trust the current government of my 
country to run the chook raffle and there are many corrupt elements in the 
current government without doubt but I seriously doubt the men and women in the 
security services here or at NSA are anything but seeking to do the best for 
their respective countries. Not sure if this is real but in the movies I’ve 
seem a poster “ I god we trust everyone else we monitor”  

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