[cryptome] Re: Freelists As Well As NSA Snooping Addendum

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  • Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 17:52:30 +0000

I think so too...it should remain open particularly for the valuable 
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From: Aftermath <aftermath.thegreat@xxxxxxxxx>
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Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 10:42:58 
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Subject: [cryptome] Re: Freelists As Well As NSA Snooping Addendum

I think this mailing list is another fine way to exchange information and
Ideas. please dont close it

On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 6:48 AM, Ben McGinnes <ben@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> On 26/07/13 9:57 PM, John Young wrote:
> >
> > Cryptome does not support secret forums, instead participants should
> > know contents are public before joining a forum or participating.
> I blame webmail.  Ever since people stopped looking at email in a mail
> client, they started treating mailing lists like reddit or some PHP
> forum.
> > This list has had little traffic and only a small number of
> > posters. That's a fine alternative to social media frenzy of aiding
> > official and commercial spying that is fostering the unwary frenzy
> > to harvest its "free" bounty.
> Certainly freelists.org isn't the best option given what you want, but
> there are alternatives.
> > We add on the possible list closing, all messages will be deleted,
> > subscriber list too.
> >
> > But, destroying public information is abominable, so we are open to
> > persuasion on this.
> What I would do is this:
> 1) Fine a new service that provides complete control, e.g. like that
>    offered by RiseUp: https://www.riseup.net/en/lists
> 2) Create the new list, play with the settings, test it.
> 3) Either disable the archive entirely or restrict it to subscribers
>    only.
> 4) Announce the new list on the old list for people to subscribe and
>    post to with links to the relevant guides.  Warn the subscribers
>    about step 5 and what to expect (which you should know from testing
>    in step 2).
> 5) Mass subscribe the entire list of subscribers to the new list.
> 6) Prevent further posting to the old list and make a copy of the
>    entire archive at that point (e.g. as a .zip file).
> 7) If there's a file share for the new list, upload the copy of the
>    old archive for subscriber access only.
> 8) Delete the old list, including the archive and subscriber list.
> That's it.
> Oh, I used riseup.net in the example because they provide services to
> activists and are big on privacy, even on mailing lists.  The only
> potential drawback is whether you'd class Cryptome as radical in the
> same way as they would.  I'd be surprised if they took that tack given
> all the stuff you publish, but who knows.
> Regards,
> Ben

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